Drunken dad asks 11 year old Son to Drive

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Servo, you're totally over generalising people who get drunk.

[General Zod]

how is being more likely to do something idiotic when drunk than while sober an over generalization? it's already been proven that drinking causes loss of good judgement and self control after reaching a certain point.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

how is being more likely to do something idiotic when drunk than while sober an over generalization? it's already been proven that drinking causes loss of good judgement and self control after reaching a certain point.

Because not all people, even when wasted, act like complete idiots and become a disaster area?

[General Zod]

how is being more likely to do something idiotic when drunk than while sober an over generalization? it's already been proven that drinking causes loss of good judgement and self control after reaching a certain point.

Because not all people, even when wasted, act like complete idiots and become a disaster area?

learn to read. i stated that people are more likely to do something idiotic while drunk, not that everyone will.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

how is being more likely to do something idiotic when drunk than while sober an over generalization? it's already been proven that drinking causes loss of good judgement and self control after reaching a certain point.

Because not all people, even when wasted, act like complete idiots and become a disaster area?

learn to read. i stated that people are more likely to do something idiotic while drunk, not that everyone will.

If I couldn't read, I wouldn't be here would I? As for your comment, it sounded to me like you were making out that drunk people are disaster areas. If you weren't, then I apologise. However, nobody can deny that certain people here are demonizing people who are drunk.

[General Zod]

wasn't my intention to make it seem like all drunks are dangerous, i was merely attempting to point out that people are more likely to do something idiotic when drunk than they would were they sober.

personally i have nothing against drinking in moderation, only being drunk. due to the fact that there's no way to predict how every individual will act when under the influence. some people are harmless, others aren't. it's not exactly universal.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

wasn't my intention to make it seem like all drunks are dangerous, i was merely attempting to point out that people are more likely to do something idiotic when drunk than they would were they sober.

Then yes, I apologise. I was so fixed on the ones saying all drunk people are morons that I misunderstood what you meant.

personally i have nothing against drinking in moderation, only being drunk. due to the fact that there's no way to predict how every individual will act when under the influence. some people are harmless, others aren't. it's not exactly universal.

I'd say that the people who carry on drinking after stupid acts such as violence and drink-driving are the idiots, and that people who vow never to drink again after those incidents are As for people who get wasted and never cause an incident (like myself), I just think it's sad that they (we) often get thrown into column A with the retards who kill families with cars and beat on their girlfriends.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

I'd say that the people who carry on drinking after stupid acts such as violence and drink-driving are the idiots, and that people who vow never to drink again after those incidents are As for people who get wasted and never cause an incident (like myself), I just think it's sad that they (we) often get thrown into column A with the retards who kill families with cars and beat on their girlfriends.

Correction: "...that people who vow never to drink again after those incidents are smarter. As for..."

*Curses the lack of edit.*

[salm]

Driving a car recklessly most certainly is. You treat driving with the same disregard that drunks treat a bottle and they WILL throw your sorry ass in jail. When you're getting hammered you are certainly beign reckless.

why is it reckless to get hammered? you know, there are a lot of people who don´t act stupid (with stupid i mean hurt themselves or others) when they´re drunk. so what´s so reckless about it?

Driving a car is essential for our society to function. Getting hammered is not.

hence my statement is about driving cars for fun.

BUT they DO highly regulate who can and cannot drive a car. There ARE LAWS strictly governing the use of a car.

just because there´s no drinking licence doesn´t mean that getting hammered is wrong by default.

You can NOT drive any speed you want to. I wonder why.

oh, on the autobahn you´re allowed to, actually.
anyway, this analogy isn´t very useful in this case. everybody will cause an accident at a certain speed, whereas most drunk people don´t harm anybody, even when they´re near intoxication.

And any ski resort usually has warning signs about engaging in those activities at your own risk

lol, so if bars put up a sign "drinking on your own risk" then drinking is ok?

Professional athletes DO need to sign release forms in the event of injury

well, all right, then take some sport like mountain biking. people hurt themselves, ride on public trails where it is not too unlikely to hit someone. or bicycling in general.

(btw, I think professional boxing IS stupid and everyone knows the WWE is fake).

i was talking about real wrestling, like the wrestling that´s olympic. but on the other hand, even the WWE has the occasional injury or even that one dead guy (or was that a rumor. i don´t follow that crap)

You don't get into a wreck every time you run a stop-sign either. I guess there's nothing wrong with ignoring traffic laws. You won't die every time you play Russian Roulette. So if must be prefectly reasonable and intelligent to engage in such activities.

meh, i don´t think that the risk of starting a fight, driving drunk or some such thing increases signifacantly for the vast majority of people.
of course there is a certain amount of dickheads who just act like assholes when they´re drunk. but that doesn´t necessarily mean that everybody tends to stirr up shit when plastered.
that´s why i don´t think that getting hammered is necessarily wrong. getting hammered is wrong if you´re one of the mentioned dickheads.

[Darth Servo]

Isn't it amazing that the pro-drunk side is consistantly accusing the anti-side of "sweeping generalizations" while at the same time using one or two exceptions and anecdotal evidence (the autobahn, I don't personally do those things when I'm wasted, etc) to try and refute the statiscical fact that drunks are more reckless than sober people.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Isn't it amazing that the pro-drunk side is consistantly accusing the anti-side of "sweeping generalizations" while at the same time using one or two exceptions and anecdotal evidence (the autobahn, I don't personally do those things when I'm wasted, etc) to try and refute the statiscical fact that drunks are more reckless than sober people.

One or two exceptions? Didn't I already say that I don't personally know a single person who is a fucking moron when they're drunk?

[Darth Servo]

meh, i don´t think that the risk of starting a fight, driving drunk or some such thing increases signifacantly for the vast majority of people.

You know thats exactly the same thing every DUI convict says BEFORE he/she has actually gotten into trouble. NOONE thinks it will happen to them....until it does.

[General Zod]

why is it reckless to get hammered? you know, there are a lot of people who don´t act stupid (with stupid i mean hurt themselves or others) when they´re drunk. so what´s so reckless about it?

this changes the fact that there's alot of people that DO act stupid how? as to the second question, how someone reacts while intoxicated cannot be predicted easily. it's different for every person, as well as someone's current emotional state. there's no universal method of knowing just how someone will react under the influence.

just because there´s no drinking licence doesn´t mean that getting hammered is wrong by default.

there are laws concerning the drinking age and how old someone can be to drink alcohol you know. . .

anyway, this analogy isn´t very useful in this case. everybody will cause an accident at a certain speed, whereas most drunk people don´t harm anybody, even when they´re near intoxication.

wow, major sweeping generalization there. and an extremely poor analogy. someone that's drunk and driving will almost always cause more accidents than someone that's sober and driving. also, if you're going to make analogies, i'd recommend comparing them to something that's actually similar and makes sense.

of course there is a certain amount of dickheads who just act like assholes when they´re drunk. but that doesn´t necessarily mean that everybody tends to stirr up shit when plastered.

this changes the fact that people are more likely to do stupid things while intoxicated than while sober how?

[Darth Servo]

One or two exceptions? Didn't I already say that I don't personally know a single person who is a fucking moron when they're drunk?

Appeal to ignorance fallacy.

[General Zod]

Isn't it amazing that the pro-drunk side is consistantly accusing the anti-side of "sweeping generalizations" while at the same time using one or two exceptions and anecdotal evidence (the autobahn, I don't personally do those things when I'm wasted, etc) to try and refute the statiscical fact that drunks are more reckless than sober people.

One or two exceptions? Didn't I already say that I don't personally know a single person who is a fucking moron when they're drunk?

unless you happen to know the entire world this is hardly an accurate representation of how people will act when drunk.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

One or two exceptions? Didn't I already say that I don't personally know a single person who is a fucking moron when they're drunk?

Appeal to ignorance fallacy.

How is that an appeal to ignorance? I simply said that I don't know a single person who acts like a dick when they're drunk. If the people you know are morons, that's your problem, simple as.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

Isn't it amazing that the pro-drunk side is consistantly accusing the anti-side of "sweeping generalizations" while at the same time using one or two exceptions and anecdotal evidence (the autobahn, I don't personally do those things when I'm wasted, etc) to try and refute the statiscical fact that drunks are more reckless than sober people.

One or two exceptions? Didn't I already say that I don't personally know a single person who is a fucking moron when they're drunk?

unless you happen to know the entire world this is hardly an accurate representation of how people will act when drunk.

And the entire world matters to me, how? When I'm getting ready for a night out, I don't think about people in America or Australia, I think about the people I already go out and drink with. None of them being morons, sober or drunk, my point stands.

[Darth Servo]

How is that an appeal to ignorance? I simply said that I don't know a single person who acts like a dick when they're drunk. If the people you know are morons, that's your problem, simple as.

Because this discussion is about getting drunk in general. The fact that you don't personally know any of the assholes in question does not change the fact that they exist, nor does it refute the statistical fact that there are more people who are assholes drunk than sober or that people tend to be bigger assholes when drunk than when sober.

[Darth Servo]

And the entire world matters to me, how? When I'm getting ready for a night out, I don't think about people in America or Australia, I think about the people I already go out and drink with. None of them being morons, sober or drunk, my point stands.

And your friends you're spending an evening with are the only ones in the bar? If your drunk friends says something that results in a stranger throwing a punch, what then?

[General Zod]

One or two exceptions? Didn't I already say that I don't personally know a single person who is a fucking moron when they're drunk?

Appeal to ignorance fallacy.

How is that an appeal to ignorance? I simply said that I don't know a single person who acts like a dick when they're drunk. If the people you know are morons, that's your problem, simple as.

your argument is effectively thus: "none of my friends act like idiots when drunk, therefore people in general don't act like idiots when drunk".

or in other words: "i don't see it happen, therefore it doesn't."

a perfect example of an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

your argument is effectively thus: "none of my friends act like idiots when drunk, therefore people in general don't act like idiots when drunk".

or in other words: "i don't see it happen, therefore it doesn't."

a perfect example of an appeal to ignorance fallacy.

False. My argument is thus: "I don't personally know anyone who acts like an idiot when they're drunk, therefore insinuate that anyone who gets drunk is an idiot is a sweeping generalisation."

[Embracer Of Darkness]

And the entire world matters to me, how? When I'm getting ready for a night out, I don't think about people in America or Australia, I think about the people I already go out and drink with. None of them being morons, sober or drunk, my point stands.

And your friends you're spending an evening with are the only ones in the bar? If your drunk friends says something that results in a stranger throwing a punch, what then?

Technically, that is correct. My friends are the only ones in the bar.

When you're part of a minority/subculture as small as the "goth" subculture in an area like my home town, you (directly or indirectly) know every one of them. When they all congregate in the same bar on the same night, you know fire sure we all know who everyone is.

As for strangers? I don't recall that ever happening.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

that results in a stranger throwing a punch, what then?

Also, just to build on this point...

I don't know about the place you live, but bars in my area have staff to prevent things like this happening. If it does happen, the offending idiot is thrown out, leaving the non-trouble-causing drunkards to have harmless fun. Done, and done.

[Darth Servo]

When you're part of a minority/subculture as small as the "goth" subculture in an area like my home town, you (directly or indirectly) know every one of them. When they all congregate in the same bar on the same night, you know fire sure we all know who everyone is.

As for strangers? I don't recall that ever happening.

key words: minority/subclass. In fact you are in the EXTREME minority. At least 99% of the world is not like that. In MOST bars, MOST of the people are complete strangers.

False. My argument is thus: "I don't personally know anyone who acts like an idiot when they're drunk, therefore insinuate that anyone who gets drunk is an idiot is a sweeping generalisation."

And name ONE instance where the anti side of this discussion has said that EVERYONE who gets drunk acts like that. Enough of this strawman already.

[Embracer Of Darkness]

key words: minority/subclass. In fact you are in the EXTREME minority. At least 99% of the world is not like that. In MOST bars, MOST of the people are complete strangers.

Which doesn't disprove that not all drunken people are idiots, does it.

False. My argument is thus: "I don't personally know anyone who acts like an idiot when they're drunk, therefore insinuate that anyone who gets drunk is an idiot is a sweeping generalisation."

And name ONE instance where the anti side of this discussion has said that EVERYONE who gets drunk acts like that. Enough of this strawman already.[/quote]

"Getting wasted" means "deliberately turning yourself into an idiot".

There's one.