ST vs SW in a fair fight

Aaron2 · Post by **Aaron2** » 2002-07-17 11:51am

Just to make it fair ....

One the SW side we have one member of the Empire. Say a crusty old moisture farmer just trying to get past this years harvest.

On the ST side we have a happy Fed citizen living is a peaceful hippie commune settlement. (don't they all?)

Go!

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-17 12:20pm

Farmer pulls out rifle (Luke had a gun) and shoots him/

Needa · Post by **Needa** » 2002-07-17 02:10pm

No, the Federation citizen would have won because of the mighty power of technobable

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2002-07-17 02:34pm

(I'm assuming the moitsure farmer is a Tatooine moisture farmer.)

Moisture farmer has to keep such things as Tusken Raiders, Jawas, Banthas, etc off his land therefor I assume would have some sort of weapon (like Luke's rifle).
The Fed. lives in a peaceful place where there is no war, etc therefor does not have a weapon or any sort of expierience at all.

Crusty old moisture farmer wins hands down.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-07-17 02:55pm

Hell, even if both were unarmed and it came down to a fist fight, I'd have to go with the moisture farmer over the Federation citizen (and I'm asuming that both are about the same age, like 35-45, to be fare).

The farmer actually has to work for a living, rather than get everything handed to him by the Federation (well, as little as they seem to get handed to them, that is).

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2002-07-17 02:58pm

Yeah, whatever you do, those crusty old farmers are tough bastards the world over. Don't mess with someone who works 12-hour days in the sun with heavy loads and regularly cuts up his own dinner.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-07-17 05:31pm

I think, above anything else, this is an indication of the rest of the fights, the SW side has so many built in advantages its not even a close contest.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2002-07-18 06:56am

Well, to REALLY make it a fair fight...

Take a pampered and spoiled scion of Alderaanian upper-crust society (before the planet's blown to pieces, o'course) who has never had to lift a finger to support himself, and THEN pit him against a Federation citizen.

Both would probably be so effeminate that they'd degrade into cries of "He broke my nail!" or "Not in the face, not in the face!" before a single punch is thrown.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-07-18 12:37pm

SPOOFE wrote:Well, to REALLY make it a fair fight...

Take a pampered and spoiled scion of Alderaanian upper-crust society (before the planet's blown to pieces, o'course) who has never had to lift a finger to support himself, and THEN pit him against a Federation citizen.

Both would probably be so effeminate that they'd degrade into cries of "He broke my nail!" or "Not in the face, not in the face!" before a single punch is thrown.

"Rules? In a fist fight?"

[kicks Fed citizen in the groin]

"Okay, then no rules."

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-18 01:42pm

SPOOFE wrote:Well, to REALLY make it a fair fight...

Take a pampered and spoiled scion of Alderaanian upper-crust society (before the planet's blown to pieces, o'course) who has never had to lift a finger to support himself, and THEN pit him against a Federation citizen.

Both would probably be so effeminate that they'd degrade into cries of "He broke my nail!" or "Not in the face, not in the face!" before a single punch is thrown.

Leia was that.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-07-18 02:04pm

Hell, even SW Subspace Relays are better armed than their ST counterparts.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-07-18 02:16pm

SirNitram wrote:Hell, even SW Subspace Relays are better armed than their ST counterparts.

Concidering they could have toys that flash and make space gun noices and still be better armed...

OOM94539 · Post by **OOM94539** » 2002-07-18 10:58pm

Jar Jar Binks vs. Wesley Crusher.

Who cares who wins. As long as one dies, it's been a productive day.

Kosh_The_Vorlon · Post by **Kosh_The_Vorlon** » 2002-07-18 11:41pm

OOM94539 wrote:Jar Jar Binks vs. Wesley Crusher.

Who cares who wins. As long as one dies, it's been a productive day.

Hmm..That gives me an idea...
::genetically splices together Gungan and Ewok DNA::

Behold, my greatest creation! The Gungawok!!!!

::sets his new toy loose in the Star Trek universe::

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2002-07-19 12:35am

Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:
OOM94539 wrote:Jar Jar Binks vs. Wesley Crusher.

Who cares who wins. As long as one dies, it's been a productive day. ;)
Hmm..That gives me an idea...
::genetically splices together Gungan and Ewok DNA::

Behold, my greatest creation! The Gungawok!!!!

::sets his new toy loose in the Star Trek universe::

I thought there are treaties against biological warfare.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-19 12:45am

Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:
OOM94539 wrote:Jar Jar Binks vs. Wesley Crusher.

Who cares who wins. As long as one dies, it's been a productive day.
Hmm..That gives me an idea...
::genetically splices together Gungan and Ewok DNA::

Behold, my greatest creation! The Gungawok!!!!

::sets his new toy loose in the Star Trek universe::

DEAR GOD!! YOU CREUL INHUMANE BASTARD!! HOW COULD YOU?!

Jack Lain · Post by **Jack Lain** » 2002-07-19 01:06am

This is silly. A farmer is a farmer. We could just as easily see the two meeting between their suddenly joined crops and talking about various seeding methods. Farmers do not care about politics.

If for some reason they fought (Hatfield vs. Mcoys) the SW farmer wins for the reasons that others posted. But I would argue that a ST farmer is not the wimp that the SW claim him to be. He knows what it takes to grow a farm and he deals with it.
Make him a fed colonist. These are not weak ppl even though they get routinely destroyed in the series. To be a colonist, in either genre, is not something to sneer at. These ppl are tough sobs! Look at our own history for an example.

But personally I think they would start trading information and not fight at all. They are farmers, realists, they both want to grow crops and neither gives a shit about the politics that surround their governments. And just to add, they want their children to live and take over their farms. They may not actually want the damn war at all. It doesn't make sense. They would converse.

-Jack.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2002-07-19 01:29am

Jack Lain wrote:This is silly. A farmer is a farmer. We could just as easily see the two meeting between their suddenly joined crops and talking about various seeding methods. Farmers do not care about politics.

If for some reason they fought (Hatfield vs. Mcoys) the SW farmer wins for the reasons that others posted. But I would argue that a ST farmer is not the wimp that the SW claim him to be. He knows what it takes to grow a farm and he deals with it.
Make him a fed colonist. These are not weak ppl even though they get routinely destroyed in the series. To be a colonist, in either genre, is not something to sneer at. These ppl are tough sobs! Look at our own history for an example.

But personally I think they would start trading information and not fight at all. They are farmers, realists, they both want to grow crops and neither gives a shit about the politics that surround their governments. And just to add, they want their children to live and take over their farms. They may not actually want the damn war at all. It doesn't make sense. They would converse.

-Jack.

Point, and an excellent one at that.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2003-05-14 08:07am

Oh, for the love of

Let's change the premiss a little then

either
A)- Both the Star Wars Farmer and the Federation citizen are DRUNK (equally drunk, and in this case, skill are unaffected, they are just ready to fight)

B)- The Federation dilitante stole the Star Wars Farmer's date (who cares who the date looks like, he still lost his date)

C)- Someone offered the Farmer lots of equipment, money and land for beating the Federation person up, and the Federation person was offered a way off Tattooine if he beat up the Farmer. The farmer would want the land etc, and the Federation person would probably want of Tattooine PDQ therefore...

I'm going with the Farmer on this one. Unarmed vs Unarmed, he'd plumel the Federation person into the ground, probably kick him in places best left out of clean fights, bite him, and probably toss him into a table (or a wookie...)

The only way the Federation person has a chance if he is a former security officer that also has extensive martial arts training.

If the barfight erupted into a gunfight, it would really depend on who was the better shot.

El Moose Monstero · Post by **El Moose Monstero** » 2003-05-14 08:47am

Kosh_The_Vorlon wrote:
Behold, my greatest creation! The Gungawok!!!!

::sets his new toy loose in the Star Trek universe::

Twas Binks and a furry bear
Did meet in shady Endor bar
turned out to be mad scientist's lair
Above, half finished iron star

Beware the Gungawok, my son!
The ears that flop, the voice that grates
Beware the Nerf Herder and
never offer Gundark's dates

He took his glowing sword in hand:
Long time the demon foe he sought --
So rested he on a speeder bike,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in dark side thought he stood,
The Gungawok, with eyes , CG,
Came blundering through the Ewok wood
Crying, "Jar Jar eesa me..."

"Let the hate flow", the old man said,
the blade ignited, snap, hiss, and crack
The creature fell, and with it's CG head
Our hero went a moseying back...

And, hast thou slain the Gungawok?
Said the figure, who in the shadows, hid
I think we should get the beers in
And verily, so he did.

Twas the Gungawok in darkened wood
did meet doom on glowing saber
And identify our hero, I feel we should,
Turns out, it was Darth Vader.

Ok, so it doesnt scan, and it isnt very good, but how could I resist?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-14 08:47am

Jack Lain wrote:This is silly. A farmer is a farmer. We could just as easily see the two meeting between their suddenly joined crops and talking about various seeding methods. Farmers do not care about politics.

When someone asks who would win in a fight, the answer "they would not fight" is not an answer.

If for some reason they fought (Hatfield vs. Mcoys) the SW farmer wins for the reasons that others posted. But I would argue that a ST farmer is not the wimp that the SW claim him to be. He knows what it takes to grow a farm and he deals with it.

Picard grew up a farmer. His idea of combat tactics was "don't return fire, it might provoke them".

Make him a fed colonist. These are not weak ppl even though they get routinely destroyed in the series. To be a colonist, in either genre, is not something to sneer at. These ppl are tough sobs! Look at our own history for an example.

Our own history is not applicable to the Federation, unless you're talking about hippie commune history. ST Earth does not even appear to have any privately owned arms at all. Pit an armed SW farmer against an unarmed ST farmer and it's a very short story.

But personally I think they would start trading information and not fight at all. They are farmers, realists, they both want to grow crops and neither gives a shit about the politics that surround their governments. And just to add, they want their children to live and take over their farms. They may not actually want the damn war at all. It doesn't make sense. They would converse.

Of course. Throughout the history of mankind, rural peoples have never engaged in any kind of strife unless governments made them do it

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-05-14 11:45am

WTF? This thread is nearly a year old!

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2003-05-14 12:15pm

phongn wrote:WTF? This thread is nearly a year old!

Wierd.

Suppose they were both armed and unarmored. I's STILL go SW because I suspect that random Fed. guys would suffer from the Redshirt effect.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-14 12:37pm

How would a mosture farmer swap ideas with a conventional farmer.

Also, Federation farmers don't actually sell their produce. Thus the SW farmer would say, "You lucky bastard" and shoot him.

GeeYouEye · Post by **GeeYouEye** » 2003-05-23 03:15pm

Given the billions of farmers and billions of potential experiences, etc., I'd say it's impossible to determine.

And let's not forget Broken Bow... ST farmers can have guns too, and powerful enough ones to nearly kill a Klingon. And that's in the 22nd century.

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