The definition of anti-Americanism

[18-Till-I-Die]

The point is I can make overbroad generalizations about the Democrats and their record on taxes, just like you are with republicans. So?

P.S. Why is this thread not in HoS?

So what? I made a generalization, i admit it. Does that make Darth Wong's statement about anti-war protestors any more truthful? No it does not.

Also Captain Chewbacca's estiment that most of the anti-war movement was '90% bichy kids with nothing else to complain about' is incorrect. My neighbor is a fervent anti-war person...he's also sixty five, and was angry because Bush lied about the WMDs.

Finally, i dont think i made a generalization. Most of the Republicans i've met were pro-war, and most were more than willing to tell me i was a terrorist for wanting to waituntil the UN authorized the strike. I dont think i'm a terrorist, in fact since when did disagreeing with the president make you a terrorist? But if you think it's a generalization, sorry that i brought it up. Personally this whole 'war on terror' is starting to smell like a certain senator who tried to dub any disidents a 'communist' durring the 50s, if you catch my drift.

And i agree, i'm as supprised as you this sis in Artwork.

[Gandalf]

Also Captain Chewbacca's estiment that most of the anti-war movement was '90% bichy kids with nothing else to complain about' is incorrect. My neighbor is a fervent anti-war person...he's also sixty five, and was angry because Bush lied about the WMDs.

Doesn't that just mean he's part of that remaining 10%?

[Ghost Rider]

Well this thread is no longer about the picture...so slotting into appropriate forum...if gets HoSed from there...so be it.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Also Captain Chewbacca's estiment that most of the anti-war movement was '90% bichy kids with nothing else to complain about' is incorrect. My neighbor is a fervent anti-war person...he's also sixty five, and was angry because Bush lied about the WMDs.

Doesn't that just mean he's part of that remaining 10%?

Again, what the hell does this have to do with the assertion most anti-war protestors are 'looking to get laid and get drugs'? Or that '90% are bitchy kids with nothing else to do but complain'?

And no, it means that there is no percentage, either way. It means that those who protest the war and the way Bush runs this country goes acros the board, and that trying to shone horn them into one or two groups is incorrect, as is saying most protesters are looking for sex and drugs.

[Gandalf]

Also Captain Chewbacca's estiment that most of the anti-war movement was '90% bichy kids with nothing else to complain about' is incorrect. My neighbor is a fervent anti-war person...he's also sixty five, and was angry because Bush lied about the WMDs.

Doesn't that just mean he's part of that remaining 10%?

Again, what the hell does this have to do with the assertion most anti-war protestors are 'looking to get laid and get drugs'? Or that '90% are bitchy kids with nothing else to do but complain'?

And no, it means that there is no percentage, either way. It means that those who protest the war and the way Bush runs this country goes acros the board, and that trying to shone horn them into one or two groups is incorrect, as is saying most protesters are looking for sex and drugs.

Almost everyone I could see at the Iraq War protests was my age or younger, many knew nothing of Iraq or the conflict at hand. And the midweek ones were just full of kids who wanted out of school.

[sketerpot]

I don't see why some people are taking this so seriously. These guys actually have signs equating Bush and his cabinet with Hitler and his advisors, and saying that the WTC attacks were actually a good thing! About all you can do in the face of such awe-inspiring but essentially harmless stupidity is laugh in their faces. They don't have a chance of actually affecting anyone, since their views are ridiculous and the Bush administration wouldn't listen to them even if they were many times more reasonable, so why not just ridicule them the way we do the flat-earth people?

[18-Till-I-Die]

Yes let us redicule them. And praise be to the God President, the All-Mighty George Bush-II, king of all he surveys! May his reign last another four godawful years.

I should let you knwo that i dont agree with those who feel the 9/11 incident was a 'good' thing, but i do agree with those who compare Bush to Hitler.

Hitler used fear of jews to advance his agendas, Bush used fear of Terrorism to do the same.

Hitler beleived that might makes right, Bush appearantly agrees.

Hitler made idiotic claims to shield himself, Bush does so reguarly, such claims as if you disagree with us your a terrorist or supporting terrorism, or some such.

Hitler was a blatant racist and homophobe, and Bush has shown many indicators that scream racist and homophobic to me, though this count is debatable.

Bush is a boil on the ass of this country, who gets off on power and the admiration of people like those hawks who support him, if you ask me. But then again, i'm 'stupid' enough to support those evil French-loving liberals so forgive me for straying from the path of the God President.

[18-Till-I-Die]

Actually forget that, since most of it was personal shit is houldnt have brought up. The point remains that you cant just say a whole group is made up of stupid, mindless children or some such because you disagree with them.

Aagin, sorry for that last rant, that was uncalled for.

[Vympel]

Yea, I bet the Evil Bush Counter Intel team commanded by their Zionist Masters planted this guy in the protest... Then drained the blood of babies and killed 3000 puppies before escaping in the black helicopters.

Ummm, did you miss those protestwarrior fuckwits who'd go to antiwar rallies and put up signs like "give communism a chance" and shit like that?

[Stofsk]

Actually forget that, since most of it was personal shit is houldnt have brought up. The point remains that you cant just say a whole group is made up of stupid, mindless children or some such because you disagree with them.

With respect, but Darth Wong didn't say that. He said most people that protest are like that, he did not say all were.

There's a difference.

[sketerpot]

Actually forget that, since most of it was personal shit is houldnt have brought up. The point remains that you cant just say a whole group is made up of stupid, mindless children or some such because you disagree with them.

Don't fret it. I'm not exactly a Bush supporter, and I admit that valid comparisons can be made between him and Hitler, but implying that they are actually moral equals is stretching things far beyond plausibility. Anyone who does so is acting stupidly and deserves to be mocked for it.

Perhaps I should have been more clear about this: I wasn't saying that we should mock all anti-Iraq-war protestors, just the ones who act in stupid, ridiculous ways. I didn't say this explicitly because it was just common sense.

However, don't worry about the Bush bashing. All in good fun.

[Master of Ossus]

18-Till-I-Die:

Since the beginning of this thread, you have continuously used pathetically small sample sizes (ie. "I'm not some dumb kid who wants to do pot and get laid" "Me and my neighbor have one thing in common, and that's not the generalization that was used in a spur-the-moment sense") in an effort to rebut statements about LARGE PORTIONS of the protesters.

This is not proper methodology.

Yes let us redicule them. And praise be to the God President, the All-Mighty George Bush-II, king of all he surveys! May his reign last another four godawful years.

I should let you knwo that i dont agree with those who feel the 9/11 incident was a 'good' thing, but i do agree with those who compare Bush to Hitler.

Hitler used fear of jews to advance his agendas, Bush used fear of Terrorism to do the same.

Can we say hasty-generalization fallacy?

Hitler beleived that might makes right, Bush appearantly agrees.

1. Prove it.
2. Whenever you make a TINY NUMBER of comparisons between two things (and you can't even draw a direct parallel), then it's retarded to argue that they are therefore comparable. The 747 and the F-22 both fly. Therefore the military should replace the Raptor with the 747. This line of reasoning is really sad.

Hitler made idiotic claims to shield himself, Bush does so reguarly, such claims as if you disagree with us your a terrorist or supporting terrorism, or some such.

The moronic "Stewart of SDI" routinely makes idiotic claims to shield himself. He must be Hitler reincarnate. I'm convinced.

Hitler was a blatant racist and homophobe, and Bush has shown many indicators that scream racist and homophobic to me, though this count is debatable.

Let me get this straight: "many indicators that scream racist and homophobic" (which, of course, are not named)=instituting mass exterminations of Jews, Slavs, gypsies, gays, etc. etc. etc.?

Bush is a boil on the ass of this country, who gets off on power and the admiration of people like those hawks who support him, if you ask me. But then again, i'm 'stupid' enough to support those evil French-loving liberals so forgive me for straying from the path of the God President.

You are obviously stupid enough to ignore logic in presenting arguments, and to present sample sizes of TWO in an effort to "prove" that "most protesters" are not one thing or another. Me and my neighbor both watch Star Trek. A majority of Americans must therefore watch Star Trek. And you don't see what's wrong with this?

Your political views are your own business, but if the best you can do is to present these retarded "arguments" in an effort to convince other people, then you have obviously not put as much thought into your views as I would like to see.

[Master of Ossus]

Yea, I bet the Evil Bush Counter Intel team commanded by their Zionist Masters planted this guy in the protest... Then drained the blood of babies and killed 3000 puppies before escaping in the black helicopters.

Ummm, did you miss those protestwarrior fuckwits who'd go to antiwar rallies and put up signs like "give communism a chance" and shit like that?

Or the ones that demanded the US stop using terrorist tactics against North Korea?

[Vympel]

Or the ones that demanded the US stop using terrorist tactics against North Korea?

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[Master of Ossus]

Or the ones that demanded the US stop using terrorist tactics against North Korea?

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Idiots: Useful, Useless, and Beyond section. Ninth image from the top. "END US TERRORISM ON NORTH KOREA."

A few images below that, you might be able to just make out a sign that says "US SANCTIONS=TERRORISM!"

[Vympel]

Idiots: Useful, Useless, and Beyond section. Ninth image from the top. "END US TERRORISM ON NORTH KOREA."

A few images below that, you might be able to just make out a sign that says "US SANCTIONS=TERRORISM!"

Ah ok I get it.

[Knife]

Nothing beats 'Boobs not bombs'. Now thats worth fighting for.

[Cornelius]

And you think it's soooo difficult for one jack-ass to make up a sign that it requires a grand conspiracy? Nice strawman fallacy, dumb-shit. But then again, Bush-wanking is your stock in trade, isn't it? Tell me, do you actually contribute anything else to the board? Ever?

1. Is there any concrete evidence to support the theory stating that guy is a conspirator trying to make them look bad or is it just based on interpretation/attitude toward the subject matter. There must be a few cases somewhere as someone else mentioned due to probability, but that doesn't really prove anything does it? Assumptions of the cause would just be assumptions till its proven. I don't know. I don't think he can be condemed for conspiracy, but only lack of morality and conscience. I could be wrong, for it is hard to imagine someone doing this and not wanting to get flamed for it (his conspired against cause). Although, maybe he is just passionate about what he is doing no matter how irational it maye be.

2. I might have missed something since I did not view the entire article. Did they find evidence of such a scheme? I don't think the guy would admit to it if he were conspiring.

[Cornelius]

Hitler used fear of jews to advance his agendas, Bush used fear of Terrorism to do the same.

If he wants this thesis, why doesn't he provide evidence for it? Say 3 or so points for it.

We do know that hitler used fear of jews to advance his own personal agenda, but put several cases of it


Then make a transitory paragraph

Show terrorism and the exaggerated mesaures used to protect against it that give power to the federal government where no power is due

them make a connection between usurped power of Hitler and Power goals of Bush tied to Terrorism


Then you have to put in some disagreement in the analysis. Bush is WAY different from Hitler. Hitler wasn't chosen by the people, Bush was. German government did not have the system of checks and balances the American system has. In this case, Bush's goals cannot be the same as Hitlers, because Hitler had no boudaries while the president is not in charge as some super head of state.

[Darth Wong]

1. Is there any concrete evidence to support the theory stating that guy is a conspirator trying to make them look bad or is it just based on interpretation/attitude toward the subject matter.

What would "concrete evidence" of his personal state of mind consist of, exactly?

If you read the thread, you will see that this comment was made shortly after someone else said "maybe the crowd consisted of like-minded people": a speculation which seems more absurd on its face than the speculation that this person was trying to make them look bad: a behaviour which is not unprecedented in these kinds of events.

[Master of Ossus]

What would "concrete evidence" of his personal state of mind consist of, exactly?

If you read the thread, you will see that this comment was made shortly after someone else said "maybe the crowd consisted of like-minded people": a speculation which seems more absurd on its face than the speculation that this person was trying to make them look bad: a behaviour which is not unprecedented in these kinds of events.

I think that both assertions are flawed. I don't see any evidence that everyone in the crowd was as stupid as this guy, but I also don't see any evidence that he was some sort of plant. It seems much more likely that this one individual (and some other ones at the protests) actually was that stupid, although the other protesters there were not.

[Peregrin Toker]

Then you have to put in some disagreement in the analysis. Bush is WAY different from Hitler. Hitler wasn't chosen by the people, Bush was.

Erm... last time I checked, Hitler was - amazingly enough - democratically elected.

Yea, I bet the Evil Bush Counter Intel team commanded by their Zionist Masters planted this guy in the protest... Then drained the blood of babies and killed 3000 puppies before escaping in the black helicopters.

Ummm, did you miss those protestwarrior fuckwits who'd go to antiwar rallies and put up signs like "give communism a chance" and shit like that?

Erm... support of communism does NOT equal tinfoil-hat paranoia.

[Howedar]

So what? I made a generalization, i admit it.

Yet you berate Mike for... making a generalization.

Does anyone else find this amusing?




Note for those who recall Mike and I sparring on a very similar issue: this time Mike said "most" so it's all well and good with me. So don't start going after me for being a hypocrite.

[Master of Ossus]

Yea, I bet the Evil Bush Counter Intel team commanded by their Zionist Masters planted this guy in the protest... Then drained the blood of babies and killed 3000 puppies before escaping in the black helicopters.

Ummm, did you miss those protestwarrior fuckwits who'd go to antiwar rallies and put up signs like "give communism a chance" and shit like that?

Erm... support of communism does NOT equal tinfoil-hat paranoia.

Well, I don't think I ever wrote that, but there was more than one person there with signs to the effect of "CIA+MI6+Bush=9/11," and being a supporter of communism DOES indicate that the person's not very bright. Finally, there were the aforementioned people who claimed that the US was using terrorist tactics against North Korea. Realistically, I find it extremely difficult to believe that all of these people were plants.

[Peregrin Toker]

Well, I don't think I ever wrote that, but there was more than one person there with signs to the effect of "CIA+MI6+Bush=9/11," and being a supporter of communism DOES indicate that the person's not very bright. Finally, there were the aforementioned people who claimed that the US was using terrorist tactics against North Korea. Realistically, I find it extremely difficult to believe that all of these people were plants.

Well.. you used "give communism a chance" as a proof of the Tinfoil-Hat Brigade's presence among protestors...

Oh - while CIA+Bush+MI6+Stonecutters+General Electric probably did not cause 9/11 directly, it's all too obvious that previous US policy probably has provoked a lot of anti-americanism...