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Mobius wrote:

The iPhone is going to block the high end PocketPC PDA-phone market out of the water.

if it can integrate smoothly in a corporate network:
my E61 has Domino/Lotus Note support; SIP if the iphone doesn't do it it's a deal breaker (oh yeah and EDGE?, when are we? back in 2002?, i want UMTS damnit; my company is paying enough our cellphone carrier to have the ability to use our phone as real pocket computer )
the iPhone is a cool gadget nonetheless, but i'm pretty sure that's not whate the corporate environment are looking in a pda/smartphone.

Steve Jobs made a point about networking while he was on stage.
Hopefully it'll be able to. MS Exchange server compatability might be the only problem.

Stile wrote:

Xisiqomelir wrote:

Jon wrote:http://www.breitbart.com/news/2007/01/10/D8MIN3LO0.html

^ SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Cisco Systems Inc. said Wednesday it is suing Apple Inc. in federal court over Apple's use of Cisco's registered iPhone trademark for its new handheld device.

Mmmm, trademark squatting

How is it squatting?? Cisco has had liscensed products out for months now under the iphone name.

More over the first IPhonre was released like in 1998...
the brand was bought in 2000 and cisco supported the old terminal a few years more

Praxis wrote: Steve Jobs made a point about networking while he was on stage.
Hopefully it'll be able to. MS Exchange server compatability might be the only problem.

it has exchange but i need Domino/Lotus

Praxis wrote:The iPhone is going to block the high end PocketPC PDA-phone market out of the water.

Me thinks those looking for proper smartphone capabilities won't pay that much attention to iPhone. There already are hundreds, if not thousands, of developers around the world creating software for Symbian platform, enough to satisfy anyone's needs. iPhone has an email client, so what? Modern handsets support a whole plethora of email applications. Most importantly, Sony-Ericsson, Nokia and Samsung have established B2B relations with the Symbian-based smartphone software developers. On the other hand, Apple, is the new kid on the block. First it needs to release an SDK, get developers work on iPhone and hope they like the Mac OS X platform within the limits of a mobile phone.

Nonetheless, good luck to Apple. Competition is always important.

My interest in the product just disappeared, completely. I guess there's no chance that we'll see any open source software for it...

Why shouldn't it be closed? I am sick of phones also being unstable as computers, I want it to work perfectly, if it means only Apple certified software, so be it.

Well, the only reason it shouldn't be closed is so that it'd work seamlessly with other devices you might have and so all the business applications you want to run on a data managment device would be able to run. Right now the iPhone doesn't seem to open word docs, and that's an issue I'm sure they're going to fix, but if there's some other oversight that pops up you're going to require a response from the maker's rather than just getting it yourself. Open platforms don't force you to get unstable software, afterall. They just make it available.

I think Jobs' decision in this case was a smart one, since I don't think his phone is yet positioned as the businessman's smartphone. He was talking about a "a lot of soccer moms" with smartphones, and that's probably along the lines of his intended 1% of the market. Your average person may want to check mail, read some sports scores, maybe listen to music on the train or catch up on a TV show they downloaded from iTunes, but is probably not going to need to use some esoteric sort of business software like some of these microComputer phones you see.

Now, a tablet PC designed a similar way to this iPhone, but with an open platform? I'd buy that shit yesterday.

As long as Apple makes it EASY for developers to come on board, and making it closed simply promotes quality control (much like third-party developers for consoles), I'll be okay with it. Although I'd much rather it be open, I understand the reasoning.

If they make it like the iPod with only a very limited amount of companies allowed to make a very few amount of apps...then bah.


I do hope they make a tablet MacBook with this multitouch technology though.

I just suppose it depends on what you want to use it for. If you want it to be a phone and an iPod and a basic websurfing doodle, then I think it's got that covered even with no more future applications at all. What do people want them to do besides that?

And I hope it's not a Macbook tablet that gets made like that, but I suppose I'd settle for it. Just so long as it lets me dual boot! I wouldn't need a wacom tablet afterall, in that case.

900€ the 4gigasbyte version
Well.... i guess that won't be so hot over here

Mobius wrote:900€ the 4gigasbyte version
Well.... i guess that won't be so hot over here

That's just the "bare" phone, at least I didn't see any contract.
Should a mobile company sell them, they should be cheaper, in return for your usual 2-year-contract.

Dahak wrote:

Mobius wrote:900€ the 4gigasbyte version
Well.... i guess that won't be so hot over here

That's just the "bare" phone, at least I didn't see any contract.
Should a mobile company sell them, they should be cheaper, in return for your usual 2-year-contract.

Yeah, except I already have a contract (family plan actually). I will not be buying one with a contract.

Ugh. I hope that's not what the American unlocked one sells for.

As far as Europe; mobile companies usually don't use contracts over there. You buy minutes as minute cards.

it's forbidden in Belgium
and for that price; i van buy an 80gigs ipod AND a Blackberry/other cool phone

mobile companies usually don't use contracts over there. You buy minutes as minute cards.

Depends: i pretty sure that it can be around the 300€ in France because french contracts are really the only worthy way to get a cellphone.
Belgium on the other side forbid this kind of practice so it's always full price...

Praxis wrote:As far as Europe; mobile companies usually don't use contracts over there. You buy minutes as minute cards.

In Germany, you usually have either a) a contract or b) buy your minutes, but most people tend to have a).
Normally, you prolong your contract after its two years and usually pick a subsidised new phone for the next two years.
As for b): you get shitty, basic phones and when you want a better one, you have to pay the full price, which makes that option not that desirable...

Hm, when I lived in Holland, most people I knew had B. Well, I suppose it's silly of me to assume it's the same in neighboring countries. And it has been a few years.