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Posted: 2003-03-12 04:26am
by Sea Skimmer
weemadando wrote:Sea Skimmer wrote:
Kockums Type 471, named Collins by Australia. Six where bought, entering service from 1996-2001. They've suffered basically every probules possibul without one sinking or exploding. The combat system doesn’t work, they weren't designed for warm water, the loading gear can't take the weight of the torpedoes and they unbalance the boat, the structures had major problems. They've basically been pier side since completion. Some of it was design, some was inept combinations of several different nations technology and some was the fact that the building yard had no idea how to build subs.
Only now after years of work are they slowly becoming operational.
And somehow they still manage to get practice shots off at US carriers in wargames.
Not to mention the fact that our old Oberon class sub captains used to regularly mail the US Navy HQ pictures of their carriers propellors taken from their periscopes. Unsurprisingly the US Navy was very unhappy each time this happened.
And if the carriers would allowed to leave single grid squares it's unlikely an SSK would ever even hear them. In major exercises carriers basically end up steaming in circles in very small areas while their SSN escorts are running with augmenters. The reason is simple; no other navy would get any training out of the exercises because they'd be sunk in minutes.
In a real war an SSK would have to hunt for tragets, rather then sitting silent in one spot the captain knows the carrier has to pass by on the open ocean.
Posted: 2003-03-13 03:26pm
by Lonestar
Buddy of mine who was on the USS Bataan (LHD, big ole Gator fraighter). He was standing on the fantail and he saw something lift out of the water, then lower back down. Turned out a British sub came right up behind them (with a dozen or so ships escorting the Bataan!) and e-mailed them a pic of her rudder, with enough resolution that my buddy's face could be seen.
Yep, he got in trouble gor not reporting it.
Posted: 2003-03-14 02:19am
by Mr Flibble
weemadando wrote:They were constructed in ADELAIDE. (No offense Flib), by a company more used to building fishing boats.
None taken. My brother in law actually works on the subs, in fact he is on sea trials on one of them right now. From all that I hear the government fucked up big time, but what else do you expect from the Australian government?
Posted: 2003-03-14 02:37am
by weemadando
Mr Flibble wrote:weemadando wrote:They were constructed in ADELAIDE. (No offense Flib), by a company more used to building fishing boats.
None taken. My brother in law actually works on the subs, in fact he is on sea trials on one of them right now. From all that I hear the government fucked up big time, but what else do you expect from the Australian government?
Yeah well, the less spoken of that the better. Its like our nice shiny new ANZAC class frigates. State of the art and all that. Except that they can't fire if the seas are rough or if there is too much rain, or if its foggy...
Posted: 2003-03-14 04:21am
by Batman
weemadando wrote:
Except that they can't fire if the seas are rough or if there is too much rain, or if its foggy...
Sounds like comment I read once made by a pilot of the US' early 'all weather interceptors' :"We could launch in any weather, except when it was dark or raining..."