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weemadando wrote:It was dumbed down for console dummies.

Explain please.

Havok wrote:

weemadando wrote:It was dumbed down for console dummies.

Explain please.

I don't think that's the problem. That's just what some people would say.

The real reason is that SEGA wanted to market it as an action game, which it really wasn't.

And then when people got their hands on it and [failed to] realised that it was rolling dice for every shot and there was a shit load of number crunching going on they didn't like it. "The shooting mechanics are broken" - because they aren't shooting mechanics, they're dice rolling RPG mechanics which have been put into a 3PS control scheme. Same with the stealth and other systems - they were reliant on character as much as player skill and so people got pissy because that's not the shooter they signed up for.

Nevermind people being shitheads about the fact that they couldn't be superpowered supermen, or that their (dumb) choices had consequences which they mightn't have intended.

Pretty much it can be chalked up as a massive failure of marketing, combined with the QA issues that Obsidian has always had not helping out.

I think you're being way too generous to dishonest morons.

The game is called THE ESPIONAGE RPG. The video Hav is talkingabout would have been the same in Splinter Cell or Fallout. Regardless of expectations, the game has a dynamic reticle that clearly communicates range and conefire, so every single person who complained about it was a moron

Don't make excuses for wankers more interested in developing nerd cred by ragging 'the bad game'.

I bought this last month but it refuses to run on my 64bit Win7 computer. Which is a fucking shame.

I'll spare Hav and just link.

Yeah I tried that and every other fix on the net and it just CTD's, patch or no patch.

Whoa, that sucks. It works on mine, but obviously that's no help if this stuff doesn't work.

Is it a steam copy or did you buy an actual disk?

GuppyShark wrote:Does Deng still give you that backhanded compliment about wearing camo in the subway if you're in civvies?

Nope. He reacts differently depending on what you're wearing: he appreciates casual clothing the most.

It would have been neat if the civilian missions (especially the hotel) had options or dialog only possible in civilian gear.

Mr. Coffee wrote:Is it a steam copy or did you buy an actual disk?

Bargain bin retail copy, 2 DVDs. Maybe I would have more luck with the Steam version?

Ya might. Steam version hasn't so much as hiccuped at me and I'm running the same OS you is. Have ya made sure your graphics drivers and such are all up to date?

Well I bought the steam version now so hopefully that works better.

Julhelm wrote:I bought this last month but it refuses to run on my 64bit Win7 computer. Which is a fucking shame.

Retail copy + patch works perfectly on my 64bit Win7 system.

One more thing that just occurred to me about why I love AP.

No bullshit sidequests.

There's no police/reporters/pimps whoever wanting you to do their job for them, or rescue kittens from a tree or buy a guy a hotdog or whatever.

Its just relevant stuff.

Look don't be too hard on DEHR. AP has the ability to actually comment on information you've uncovered during conversations too.

How n earth could you know that I was talking about DEHR?

"JENSEN! THE HOSTAGES ARE ABOUT TO BE EXECUTED!"
"Just a minute, the janitor needs me to put some toilet paper in a stall."

Everyone I know highlights this sort of thing in DEHR, and it's made worse because if you 'win' a conversation and find out you're a secret squirrel man, you still act surprised later and can never press the issue.

And, of course, that being head of security for Sarif pays so little you need to fence guns on the black market and help hookers with hearts of gold to get by.

Being focus on a professional spy doing pro spy shit instead of solving generic fetch quests is quite possibly why people thought there was no plot.

Look man, Sariff can't be associated with the shit what's going down with Adam, okay? For all we know he's been temporarily "Burned" which is why Sariff gave him the bottom of the line enhancements and forced him to prove he's worthy by rescuing kittens to get modules to upgrade the Fiat-produced servos in his wifearms.

'To protect our multi-billion dollar contracts we provide you with... 6 bullets. GO!'

Stark wrote:'To protect our multi-billion dollar contracts we provide you with... 6 bullets. GO!'

Untrue. You totes get the most powerful weapon in the game from Sariff.

Just no ammo for it.




(Stun gun, duh)

If you start with revolver, you get a whole cylinder for it. Total cost to Sarif; $10.

Good thing the genre isn't mired in conventions that make no fucking sense at all, right?

Chardok wrote:Look man, Sariff can't be associated with the shit what's going down with Adam, okay? For all we know he's been temporarily "Burned" which is why Sariff gave him the bottom of the line enhancements and forced him to prove he's worthy by rescuing kittens to get modules to upgrade the Fiat-produced servos in his wifearms.

Look, I hate to blow your mind, but if you're going to make fun of a game, you might as well do it with something which is real (ie. no ammo) as opposed to something you imagined (ie. no augmentations).

Ford Prefect wrote:

Chardok wrote:Look man, Sariff can't be associated with the shit what's going down with Adam, okay? For all we know he's been temporarily "Burned" which is why Sariff gave him the bottom of the line enhancements and forced him to prove he's worthy by rescuing kittens to get modules to upgrade the Fiat-produced servos in his wifearms.

Look, I hate to blow your mind, but if you're going to make fun of a game, you might as well do it with something which is real (ie. no ammo) as opposed to something you imagined (ie. no augmentations).

Uh, he starts the game with augmentations that are literally shit. they TELL you it's literally shit. they tell you it's capable of doing SO MUCH MORE but they left those features off because....thing?

Could you move this to the DX:HR thread please? I may actually play it and I want to talk about AP in here.

Anyway I was going to say, how long is this game? Like is there a lot of side missions to do or is it quite a short outing overall?