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Guardsman Bass wrote:
It hasn't happened yet with the Marvel comic book movies. It might (the Tobey Maguire Spiderman movies had worn out their welcome by Spider-Man 3), but it hasn't happened yet.

It has not happen yet with Marvel movies because a Iron man movie does not feel like a Thor movie, likewise a new Hulk movie is not a new Captain America movie. Even if Avengers movie feel like Iron man movies it does not matter because Hulk smash and we get distracted by how pretty everything breaks.

It's like if Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, and... oh lets say Terminator all occurred in the same universe. After your pat Die Hard ending you see John sharing a stage with Murtaugh and Riggs talking about how they both took down big drug deals in an after credit scene then comes Terminator and the next movie is the Lethal weapon cop duo interviewing Sarah Conner in the psych ward but uh-oh another Terminator and John McClane swoops in at the halfway point to run it over with a cement truck and deliver a one-liner as Murtaugh looks on with Conner and claims about he's to old for psychotic cyborgs from the future.

The next big team up movie features what else? Robocop! Once the hope of humanity now corrupted by the Machines from the future.

Now granted the above is not the best mix and match but this idea of movies being interlinked but separate is genus as far as movie goes are concerned. Now you don't have to watch Thor to understand Avengers nor do you have to watch Captain America or Iron Man 2.... but if you've watched any of them then Avengers makes some kind of sense and you can muddle through and hey... don't you want to go watch the other three movies now that we've got you interested.

Guardsman Bass wrote:That will likely come in the follow-up movies, if the first Disney one is a big hit. But I don't blame Disney for tying things in hard to the previous movies for the first one. It's probably going to cost them $400-500 million in production and marketing costs to make it, and that is not a situation that's conducive towards any type of risk in film-making.

Nope, and I think Elfdart can back me up on the numbers here, but ROTS cost only cost $115million and after all was said and done, the marketing tie ins basically meant that Pepsi, Toys R Us, Taco Bell etc., basically paid for almost all the marketing costs.

Just be patient, and we'll get new stuff once they pull off a mega-hit to get it started. If they pull it off, of course, but I think that any Star Wars movie is going to bring in $300 million minimum worldwide box office just off the name.

Please, AOTC made $650million just off the name.

ray245 wrote:The worse thing would be Disney announcing that we will have a Star Wars movie every two years or so. I wonder if the audience would grow tired of the Star Wars franchise if they are being flooded with Star Wars movies.

It hasn't happened yet with the Marvel comic book movies. It might (the Tobey Maguire Spiderman movies had worn out their welcome by Spider-Man 3), but it hasn't happened yet.

Well for one Ray, they have already announced that is exactly the plan.
That Spidey franchise died because the third movie was horrible. It had nothing to do with them wearing out their welcome. It just sucked. Of course that is if you consider $890 million wearing out it's welcome.

Star Wars is perhaps the most beloved brand in the world. I think even Disney itself has a hard time fending it off. The movie is going to make a fuckton of money if it is as bad as Attack of the Clones and probably double that if it is just as good as Revenge of the Sith. Think about that for a minute.

Havok wrote:Star Wars is perhaps the most beloved brand in the world. I think even Disney itself has a hard time fending it off. The movie is going to make a fuckton of money if it is as bad as Attack of the Clones and probably double that if it is just as good as Revenge of the Sith. Think about that for a minute.

Well, obviously there's no doubt the movie will be massively successful, even if it's mediocre. However - I'm not as in touch with pop-culture as I used to be when Phantom Menace came out, but the vibe I get is that the hype surrounding this movie is nowhere near as extreme as the years/months leading up to TPM. I also doubt anything Disney puts out will be anywhere near as dissapointing as TPM.

But since I'm a nerd talking about sci-fi on the Internet, I'm obligated to complain about something I guess. And my main concern about these movies is that they really have no reason to exist. The Skywalker arc is pretty much done, so there's no reason to check in on Luke's kids, other than brand-name nostalgia/recognition. Secondly, as Covenant sort of touched on earlier, the original Star Wars films were successful for so many reasons... reasons which are really hard to replicate in 2015. Reasons like... the fact that when A New Hope came out, everybody was blown away because nobody had seen anything like that before. Nobody ever saw VFX with scrolling star fields, or space dog-fights, etc. Furthermore, Star Wars had this sort of grandiose mystique about it, because you were dropped into a corner of this huge Universe with millions of interesting worlds, but you only got a peek at it. Nowadays, when giant RPG video-games have production budgets rivaling movies, and every other summer release has the same mind-numbing ILM CGI effects and inter-planetary action, Star Wars just isn't anything special. It's just another brand at this point, and yeah, it was a smart business move to buy it. I just wish I was more excited about it.

Havok wrote:Nope, and I think Elfdart can back me up on the numbers here, but ROTS cost only cost $115million and after all was said and done, the marketing tie ins basically meant that Pepsi, Toys R Us, Taco Bell etc., basically paid for almost all the marketing costs.

You're right about the cross-marketing campaigns (I forgot about those). But I'll be shocked if the new movie comes in at less than $200 million in production costs.

Havok wrote:Please, AOTC made $650million just off the name.

Conceded.

Mr Bean wrote:To expand on this the Death Star was officially called the Imperial Planetary Ore Extractor. I don't recall have the books on hand anymore (sadly) but I distinctly recall the propaganda was the second death star was Rebel constructed and the Emperor got aboard while his fleet kept the Rebels occupied and the Emperor destroyed the second death star as an act of peerless self sacrifice.

Which let me tell you is genius PR. Because who would be dumb enough to build two of the damn things.

Wedge's Gamble, page 136:

A holographic image of Darth Vader sizzled to life when Wedge had approached. "Behold my Master and weep. He has been stolen from us by those who embrace hatred. The Emperor learned that the Rebels had stolen plans for an Imperial Planetary Ore Extractor and intended to use the one they were fabricating on Endor on inhabited planets. He assembled his fleet, and heedless of personal danger, he had me take him to Endor. He infiltrated the half-completed extractor, offering these Rebels his forgiveness and a hand in friendship. They rejected him and attacked his fleet. My Master had no alternative but to destroy this Death Star himself, perishing in the process so that his citizens could live on. I was slain with him, but my death did not distress me, for it came in service to my Master."

As Vader spoke, a fanciful holographic simulation of the battle at Endor played itself out against the backdrop of the chamber. An outnumbered and outgunned Imperial fleet drove a dagger into the heart of the Rebel formation. The pinpoint accuracy of Imperial gunners laid waste to the Rebels. As the war raged outside, the Emperor appeared, looking beatific as he pleaded with an unseen Rebel host. His expression melted into sorrow and pain, then his eyes blazed and his fists knotted. Suddenly his image exploded, taking the Death Star with it. The explosion tore into the Rebel fleet, leaving only small, weak ships to flee.

Interesting in this excerpt is the (apparent) admission by Imperial propaganda that the Emperor was capable of using Force powers.

That's nice, but I'm talking about the first Death Star.

The best thing about that quote from a terrible EU novel is how fucking terrible the author is. Why bother making something sound like Darth Vader when you can just write 'says Darth Vader' at the end?

Fucking apalling.

Yeah. Valen forbid something that's actually post-ROTJ imperial propaganda sounds like...post-ROTJ imperial propaganda. It's totally not like that was intentional or something.

Flagg wrote:What use a terror weapon if no one knows about it and thus are not terrorized by it?

It was to be announced at the Party Congress on Monday. As you know, the Emperor loves surprises.

There is nothing less terrifiying than a weapon that is not complete yet. That just pisses you off and maybe forments a revolution BEFORE your terror weapon is ready.

I wish they kept the EU storyline in the sequel trilogy. I know this is a pet peeve for many Star Wars fans due to it's similarity to Star Trek, but I really want to see Han Solo fighting the Yuuzhan Vong.

There's a fuckton of things less terrifying than a weapon that's not complete yet. Kittens, puppies, fluffy bunnies, oatmeal, empty soda bottles...
Yes, a weapon of mass destruction that isn't completed yet can be terrifying, especially at Death Star levels of destruction...because the weapon may be completed.

Thats the point, it's the FUTURE terrifying potential that has the opposite effect than to stop rebellion, it in fact forments rebellion as nobody can afford to let it be completed. Thats the reason keeping it a secret during construction was important and smart which was the question asked.

DP