I am actually literally playing Sith's advocate, but I'll agree to disagree.Grumman wrote:I realise that you're playing the Devil's advocate, but there is no credible way that this can be pinned on Luke.
So is Star Wars an argument for gun control or gun ownership. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a lightsaber is a good guy with a lightsaber. But if there weren't any lightsabers to begin with then no one would have one. Though there is of course the problem that lightsabers are generally homemade, as we presumably see with the new trailer.Battlegrinder wrote:I can kinda see where you're going with this, actually. In the old EU, it always seemed like galactic society was fairly stable, until some asshole with a lightsaber would step in and throw everything into chaos again.
That is an interesting theory, I also remember one someone came up with about AT-STs serving as something akin to AWACS planes for stormtroopers, coordinating their data links. When that was taken away at Endor they not only lost their supporting firepower but also lost a great deal of their spatial awareness. This could also apply to other contexts somewhat in that if there was a critical mass of stormtroopers they would have better data links and thus better spatial awareness. The only issue with this concept is that those links would logically have been extremely effective on the Death Star given that it was an Imperial battle station, but it could be possible that it was never implemented properly given that the station had just become operational.amigocabal wrote:2. The stormtroopers won in Hoth. It would seem in the OT, they were very effective in huge numbers if they could all work together as a large group, with them being able to cover each opther and stuff, with big guns to back them up, but they are not so good as small squads against other small squads or individuals. (Death Star I, against Luke and co., and Endor, where the thick forest divided up the stormtroopers into small squads and diminished their capacity to cover each other.)
It would be likely given the fact that before A New Hope, the galaxy had been at relative peace. Rebel soldiers were almost all combat veterans, in contrast to the mostly untested Imperial soldiers who had nothing but occupation duty. It would make sense that man for man the Rebels would be more effective most of the time. Assuming the new movies keep roughly to the ideas for the immediately post Endor Empire, the Imperial Civil War would likely produce a large number of combat veterans to prepare the new group of stormtroopers.amigocabal wrote:then again, post-ROTJ, the successors of the Imperial stormtrooper leadership may very well have changed battle tactics.
I made this point in the other trailer thread, but it was also the case that stormtroopers never looked like true professional soldiers the way that the earlier clone troopers did. If you look at the way they held their weapons, clones fired with their weapons held at eye level and the stocks of their rifles properly tucked into their shoulders. Stormtroopers fired mostly from the hip, with stances that were far too wide as if they had never properly fired weapons. This was the case because the stormtroopers were clearly extras in suits that were simply told to point their weapons in the right direction. Clones in contrast were based on motion capture of real life soldiers and thus acted accordingly. Even the Rebels on Hoth were shown to hold their weapons better than stormtroopers, no doubt because they had actual stocks to their rifles that forced them to hold them somewhat properly.
Gaidin wrote:So, theoretically they're as good as Obi-wan says they are. Just not as "dramatically" good unless the story demands.
It is ironic that Obi-Wan made that statement as Tuskens made one of the best shots of the films by hitting racing podracers. One option is that when Obi-Wan made his comments about precision, he was referring to the fact that the stormtroopers knew where on the sandcrawler shots would do the most damage, rather than being extremely accurate shots.
