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Might be harder though.... Terminators are... well.... Terminators. Might take a while to reprogram them, especially when they're set to "Kill so-and-so" mode. But if Katherine Brewder could do it, the Matrix dudes could.Rye wrote:What i'd like to see is a bit like in that animatrix episode where they take a terminator into their construct matrix and make it choose to join them.
Why?Shroom Man 777 wrote:Might be harder though.... Terminators are... well.... Terminators. Might take a while to reprogram them, especially when they're set to "Kill so-and-so" mode. But if Katherine Brewder could do it, the Matrix dudes could.Rye wrote:What i'd like to see is a bit like in that animatrix episode where they take a terminator into their construct matrix and make it choose to join them.
Dunno, just liked the thought.NecronLord wrote:Why?Shroom Man 777 wrote:Might be harder though.... Terminators are... well.... Terminators. Might take a while to reprogram them, especially when they're set to "Kill so-and-so" mode. But if Katherine Brewder could do it, the Matrix dudes could.Rye wrote:What i'd like to see is a bit like in that animatrix episode where they take a terminator into their construct matrix and make it choose to join them.
Only because it was exposed to humans and protecting them. (BTW, you mean developed emotions, it was self aware anyway) and ordered to behave like them. Setting it to write wouldn't help them convince it to be on the side of the resistance. They followed their mission parameters - They would not stop following them, ever until they are destroyed, or until they are completed.Rye wrote:You have seen the reprogrammed t800 in t2 right? And how it becomes more self aware in like a day or so.
If you are refering to a standard drone when you say mind, then I'll believe you. If you are refering to a ship mind, along the lines of GCU or larger, than I cry bullshit, and unleash the gridfire of fiery DOOM!NecronLord wrote:bte, both the T-2 novelisation and T2 An Evil Hour eastablish that the reprogramming was done with access to Skynet's computing equipment. Considering that Skynet = 1e7 Culture Minds (T3 novel), I see nothing to suggest that the Resistance have the computing equipment neccessery.
I thought it was mentioned somewhere the flops of the nnp is in excess of the average culture Mind?Singular Quartet wrote: err... maybe not. But seriously, Skynet could not have anywhere near the processing power of a Culture Mind. A drone, sure. A module, probably. A Mind? No.
Singular Quartet wrote:If you are refering to a standard drone when you say mind, then I'll believe you. If you are refering to a ship mind, along the lines of GCU or larger, than I cry bullshit, and unleash the gridfire of fiery DOOM[/i]!
His Divine Shadow wrote:Singular Quartet wrote:If you are refering to a standard drone when you say mind, then I'll believe you. If you are refering to a ship mind, along the lines of GCU or larger, than I cry bullshit, and unleash the gridfire of fiery DOOM[/i]!
Skynets computational speed is around 10^54 computations per second.
Yes well Skynet didn't have planet killing power or could fight at FTL speeds.Stravo wrote:I draw comfort from the fact that even though I don't know what 10^54 computations translates into but looks really impressive that regular unassuming humans out fought it and out thought it.
*shrugs*Stravo wrote:Roughly what can the human mind pump out in terms of computational speed?
His Divine Shadow wrote:Singular Quartet wrote:If you are refering to a standard drone when you say mind, then I'll believe you. If you are refering to a ship mind, along the lines of GCU or larger, than I cry bullshit, and unleash the gridfire of fiery DOOM[/i]!
Skynets computational speed is around 10^54 computations per second.
Where exactly is everybdoy getting this computational speed of a Culture Mind?Illuminatus Primus wrote:1 followed by 54 zeros.
10,000,000 Culture Minds. Ten Million Culture Minds.
hereSingular Quartet wrote:Where exactly is everybdoy getting this computational speed of a Culture Mind?Illuminatus Primus wrote:1 followed by 54 zeros.
10,000,000 Culture Minds. Ten Million Culture Minds.
Stravo wrote:His Divine Shadow wrote:Singular Quartet wrote:If you are refering to a standard drone when you say mind, then I'll believe you. If you are refering to a ship mind, along the lines of GCU or larger, than I cry bullshit, and unleash the gridfire of fiery DOOM[/i]!
Skynets computational speed is around 10^54 computations per second.
I draw comfort from the fact that even though I don't know what 10^54 computations translates into but looks really impressive that regular unassuming humans out fought it and out thought it.
[/quote]NecronLord wrote:hereSingular Quartet wrote:Where exactly is everybdoy getting this computational speed of a Culture Mind?Illuminatus Primus wrote:1 followed by 54 zeros.
10,000,000 Culture Minds. Ten Million Culture Minds.
The Mind in Consider plebas had a total memory of around 1e24 (Possibly less than) bits. If it could iterate it's entire memory within one second,then making it a trillion times faster, to show development since, and giving 5 exponents to provide an upper limit, this establishes them at 1e47 operations per second.
It was, actually, running under the proved notion that Minds are, in fact, anal-rententive perfectionists, most of which, in fact, are. For two examples, would be Masaq hub explaining what it would do if it had built the cart system on one of its plates, and another example is the fact that GSVs almost never use displacers for people due to the 1 in 64 million chance of an accident. 1 in 64,000,000. That, and I haven't read Consider Phelobas in a few years, I don't have a copy of it, and I couldn't poke around that quote to figure it out myself.Your explanation for the 'infinite fun' is deliberately skewed. Do computer games need to simulate every atom? Given that what they do is vary it from the known norm it is much more likely that they can only simulate what they know, the history of one galaxy.
Actually, they did that for two reasons:It's worth noting that the Minds were resoloutely unable to think up a better strategy than Uncle Stalin's retreat until you have an overwhelming numerical advantage during the Idiran war. Their strategic abilities are over-rated. There's nothing to suggest that a Mind in Skynet's position (Stripped of it's inbuilt warp units etc) would do as well as Skynet did.
*Mumbles a few dozen obscenities about time travel*And in the T3 timeline, where this figure came from, Skynet hadn't lost.
I know some anal asshole pedants, doesn't give them unbelievable computational powers though.Singular Quartet wrote: It was, actually, running under the proved notion that Minds are, in fact, anal-rententive perfectionists, most of which, in fact, are. For two examples, would be Masaq hub explaining what it would do if it had built the cart system on one of its plates, and another example is the fact that GSVs almost never use displacers for people due to the 1 in 64 million chance of an accident. 1 in 64,000,000. That, and I haven't read Consider Phelobas in a few years, I don't have a copy of it, and I couldn't poke around that quote to figure it out myself.
Not really, Y'see, banks wrote the descriptions of how Minds work in the '80s, before quantum computing was known, since then, what we consider reasonable is a lot higher. If Banks were to write another culture book, we might get a higher quantifiable figure. Of course, he'd have to be motivated to do so first. (The last attempt to hold his family hostage failed.
Whatever, I withdraw, decry unbeliveable BS for skynet, and then let the suspension of disbelief back in.
)Both of which were true for Russia in WWII (in a way, obviously they didn't have Orbitals) and they too were waiting for sufficient amaments to be produced before rolling over the enemy.
Actually, they did that for two reasons:
1: They have so many resources, that they don't care if they lose orbitals or not, to demonstrate sheer economic might. Remember, at that point, the entire human population of the Culture could fit onto one, maybe two orbitals, and they have thousands of the damn things. They were just showing off in their own messed up way.
2: So that they wouldn't lose anywhere near as many ships. While GCUs are combat capable, they aren't anywhere near as powerful as an OU. As I mentioned, the Culture is ana; rentetive about keeping people out of harms way and making sure no/minimal loss of life occurs (unless siad people dying are fully willing to die)
*Mumbles a few dozen obscenities about time travel*
True, however the Culture were still technically advanced compared to the Idrians, and were able to get away from them, although given the longvity of Culture tech, delaying actions were also likely needed to allow older ships, or less mobile objects time to get away (*cough* orbitals with engines strapped on and reinforcements (if nessacary) attached*cough*)NecronLord wrote:Both of which were true for Russia in WWII (in a way, obviously they didn't have Orbitals) and they too were waiting for sufficient amaments to be produced before rolling over the enemy.Singular Quartet wrote:Actually, they did that for two reasons:
1: They have so many resources, that they don't care if they lose orbitals or not, to demonstrate sheer economic might. Remember, at that point, the entire human population of the Culture could fit onto one, maybe two orbitals, and they have thousands of the damn things. They were just showing off in their own messed up way.
2: So that they wouldn't lose anywhere near as many ships. While GCUs are combat capable, they aren't anywhere near as powerful as an OU. As I mentioned, the Culture is ana; rentetive about keeping people out of harms way and making sure no/minimal loss of life occurs (unless siad people dying are fully willing to die)
Idrians didn't have much choice. They had to stop and check out each world, because there might be some rather nasty surprises hiding in them.NecronLord wrote:I never said that they were stupid, only that there's no proof they're incredibly smart. It's a highly effective tactic against fundies commited to stopping and consolidating every planet.
Like I said, I haven't read the book in years, and I don't have acess to a copy anymore.NecronLord wrote:It's mentioned in the appendix that it was a religious thing IIRC.