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Darksider wrote:Just the one that's getting a Redux

It's all one continuous story arc that has about 6.1 megabytes of text on the Archive. It's just too big to effectively summarize.

There are ways of taking down planetary shield using brute force that won't risk destroying the planet. For instance, I'd been planning on equipping my fleet with anti-forcefield weapons that damage shields but are worthless against armor. An unplanned side-effect is that it becomes possible to pummel planetary defenses without having to worry about killing anything. A less refined version of this tactic appears in one of the X-wing novels. After a few rounds of turbolaser fire, ion cannons are used to finish the shield off. Shield goes down, and the only damage is to electronics.
If your opponent uses mosaic shields you only have to knock down one section. Then send down some fighters or ground forces to take out the rest.

I may bring the Hegemony here aswell but probably with a different history. Though I will be defintely joining.

Raxmei wrote:There are ways of taking down planetary shield using brute force that won't risk destroying the planet. For instance, I'd been planning on equipping my fleet with anti-forcefield weapons that damage shields but are worthless against armor. An unplanned side-effect is that it becomes possible to pummel planetary defenses without having to worry about killing anything. A less refined version of this tactic appears in one of the X-wing novels. After a few rounds of turbolaser fire, ion cannons are used to finish the shield off. Shield goes down, and the only damage is to electronics.
If your opponent uses mosaic shields you only have to knock down one section. Then send down some fighters or ground forces to take out the rest.

Why not just create a shell and encase the planet? Depriving all plant life of necessary sunlight and they die. Then the animals will suffer. Not to mention the effect it will have on the rest of the planet....

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Darksider wrote:Just the one that's getting a Redux

It's all one continuous story arc that has about 6.1 megabytes of text on the Archive. It's just too big to effectively summarize.

I've been reading through it all day.

(i'm right in the middle of the "Troll Invasion." I have a Looooooooong way to go)

Enigma wrote:Why not just create a shell and encase the planet? Depriving all plant life of necessary sunlight and they die. Then the animals will suffer. Not to mention the effect it will have on the rest of the planet....

Doing that would destroy the biosphere.

It's odd re-reading the times when a shield was brought down and troops landed on the intact planet, and looking at this discussion. Apparently, finesse was lost when the Dark Age swept over the Galaxies.

Darksider wrote:I've been reading through it all day.

(i'm right in the middle of the "Troll Invasion." I have a Looooooooong way to go)

If it's too much for you, you could skip to the last one--that's the only one that's really pertinent. If you miss out on some older details I shouldn't think it would be too crippling.

Raxmei wrote:

Enigma wrote:Why not just create a shell and encase the planet? Depriving all plant life of necessary sunlight and they die. Then the animals will suffer. Not to mention the effect it will have on the rest of the planet....

Doing that would destroy the biosphere.

Not unless you'd be willing to repair it once you take it over. Take the cells off the plants and the DNA from the animals and clone relacements.

Enigma wrote: Take the cells off the plants and the DNA from the animals and clone relacements.

You'd be destroying it and replacing it with a cheap copy. Try again.

So how many systems\planets can we have? How many of those can be considered indestructable (i.e. not allowed to be destroyed)?

What's the upper limit in firepower? 1,000 TT? More? Less? I'd need a guideline in which to redesign my ships. I do not want to be considered a powergamer.

Enigma wrote:What's the upper limit in firepower? 1,000 TT? More? Less? I'd need a guideline in which to redesign my ships. I do not want to be considered a powergamer.

I stopped quantifying numbers and merely noted how strong the guns were intended to be in relation to others.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

Darksider wrote:I've been reading through it all day.

(i'm right in the middle of the "Troll Invasion." I have a Looooooooong way to go)

If it's too much for you, you could skip to the last one--that's the only one that's really pertinent. If you miss out on some older details I shouldn't think it would be too crippling.

The "Troll Invasion" Is kind of entertaining, i think i'll finish that then skip to the end.

(Small question, was anyone actually posting as the troll forces???)

Enigma wrote:So how many systems\planets can we have? How many of those can be considered indestructable (i.e. not allowed to be destroyed)?

Well evidently we've got about a 100 fucking million across multiple galaxies to work with, and none can be blown away.

MKSheppard wrote:

Enigma wrote: Take the cells off the plants and the DNA from the animals and clone relacements.

You'd be destroying it and replacing it with a cheap copy. Try again.

Ok. What about partially blocking the planet's star?

Billions of rapidly pulsating light aimed at the planet. They'd either have to surrender or go into massive seizures.

Enigma wrote:So how many systems\planets can we have? How many of those can be considered indestructable (i.e. not allowed to be destroyed)?

I think the key here should be "nothing is safe". Meaning you have to think
your actions over carefully before going on a course of action - I tried
to divide up Marina's Empire in STGOD Mk II on ASVS, and ended up with
a Communist revolution on my homeworld, my fleet destroyed, etc etc.

Fun

Sea Skimmer wrote:

Enigma wrote:So how many systems\planets can we have? How many of those can be considered indestructable (i.e. not allowed to be destroyed)?

Well evidently we've got about a 100 fucking million across multiple galaxies to work with, and none can be blown away.

Yea, what a pity that raw brute force can't win every battle.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

Enigma wrote:So how many systems\planets can we have? How many of those can be considered indestructable (i.e. not allowed to be destroyed)?

Well evidently we've got about a 100 fucking million across multiple galaxies to work with, and none can be blown away.

So I can retain the Virgo Cluster (minus the Milky Way and Andromeda)?

Is there a starting point? Meaning, do we start out with ten systems and work our way up?

Enigma wrote:

Why not just create a shell and encase the planet? Depriving all plant life of necessary sunlight and they die. Then the animals will suffer. Not to mention the effect it will have on the rest of the planet....

Then your destroying it. though given the power levels of peoples reactors and massive industrial capacity they could probably both keep the planet warm and illuminate it, mile wide lights reflecting off the shields or something like that.

SirNitram wrote: Yea, what a pity that raw brute force can't win every battle.

I guess you better go tell the Red Army that they were losers
compared to the Wehrmacht, because the Red Army basically
swamped the Wehrmacht with a tidal wave of bodies, literally.

MKSheppard wrote:

SirNitram wrote: Yea, what a pity that raw brute force can't win every battle.

I guess you better go tell the Red Army that they were losers
compared to the Wehrmacht, because the Red Army basically
swamped the Wehrmacht with a tidal wave of bodies, literally.

Are you even aware that that's a strawman, Shep?

SirNitram wrote: Are you even aware that that's a strawman, Shep?

Strawman? Every victory the Red Army won from 1940 to 1945
was by sheer weight of bodies, right down to sending penal battalions
in to clear minefields by simply walking around to get blown up to
clear the way for the shock troops.

EDIT: My personal favorite Russian tactic was how they marched the troops
in lockstep towards German Machine Gun nests, so that the Germans
would be forced to change the barrels of their MGs, and while they
were changing the barrels, send in the real attacking force...

SirNitram wrote:
Yea, what a pity that raw brute force can't win every battle.

And yet you want to hold onto a Naggarok

MKSheppard wrote:

SirNitram wrote: Are you even aware that that's a strawman, Shep?

Strawman? Every victory the Red Army won from 1940 to 1945
was by sheer weight of bodies, right down to sending penal battalions
in to clear minefields by simply walking around to get blown up to
clear the way for the shock troops.

Yes, indeed they did, and yes, indeed, that's a strawman. I said not every battle can be won by brute force, not that brute force can't win any battle.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

SirNitram wrote:
Yea, what a pity that raw brute force can't win every battle.

And yet you want to hold onto a Naggarok

Because we all know how badly I rampaged with those the last time...

Oh. Wait.

I didn't.