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Crix Dorius wrote:Sorry... but...

Don't shoot SPHA-T's heavy energybeam's ?!?

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The vehicle's central cannon is modular, allowing different artillery units to be fitted with different weapon types, such as ion cannons, anti-vehicle laser cannons or concussion missile launchers.

Illuminatus Primus wrote: The Gungans' lances were crowd-control shock devices.

Really? First I've heard of it. And yet they carried and used them in a war against the Droid Army. In fact, the novelization and script both suggest that such spears were in fact thrown at the droid army!

The Royal Guardsmans' lances are stated to be ceremonial. Functional anti-armor lances are not with precedent.

Stated where, exactly? If we drag the EU into it, they're actually weapons (which they are admittedly quite adept at using. Of course, if we pull the EU in they use more than just the Force pikes.)

You'd be better off pointing out that perhaps the Royal Guardsmen are not standard infantry or even troops, but elite warriors dedicated to protecting Palpatine. That actually is a better counterpoint (at least regarding the Royal Guardsman.)

Then again, I can just point out that the Gungans and Royal Guardsman certainly do not represent conventional warfare as a whole (and these droids appear to be in a minority compared to the vast number of droids they typically DO use.) These are by no means main-line troops but rather a design resulting more from personal interests, some sort of cultural influences, or someone's mistaken idea of military practicality. They are still vastly outnumbered by the Droidekas, Super Battle Droids, and even conventional battle droids that use more practical weaponry. Its certainly not the firs ttime we've seen stupiditiy in design on the part of the Trade Federation or droid armies.

Regarding the "Anti Armor lances" all I have to do is point out lightsabers attempting to melt his way through over a meter of blast door (and Qui-Gon apparently intended to literally cut his way through the door with just his saber) does in fact suggest there ARE melee weapons of significant power (they just don't have to be conventional.)

Things might be similar to the blastswords from Adumar. With that much room in a lance, the weapon could be pretty damn powerful. the end could be a focusing coil, but the bulk could be producing the shot. Lightsabres are 120 MWs, look at how small the energy cell on those things are. Could easily get a GJ level shot out of one of those, and then concentrate the thing in an exceptionally small area to get a kind of super lightsabre that shoots.

but that's just speculation.

Yes, yes, but you still have the rediculousness of a guy lifting a tank from his speeder bike. That just doesn't work, y'know?

Alan Bolte wrote:Yes, yes, but you still have the rediculousness of a guy lifting a tank from his speeder bike. That just doesn't work, y'know?

Power armor. His elbow has a circle on it that looks alot like the knee joint of a walker. then the concerns are the lance deforming and the speeder slipping to direction depending on the strength of repulsolifts.

But if he is in power armor, hit the "increase altitude" button on his bike, and the shft didn't deform, it might work.

The stupidity is not over. IIRC, the clone army will employ clone troopers on speeder bikes with lances in a later chapter to repel Durge's attack.

I havent yet watched the episode, so I'm reserving judgement on that. It depends on alot of factors, but it might also be some use of repulsors or some other forcefield applicationa s well. (it might even be some sort of exotic telekinetic ability inherent to the race - psi phenomena is known to exist independently of the Force.)

Clone Sergeant wrote:The stupidity is not over. IIRC, the clone army will employ clone troopers on speeder bikes with lances in a later chapter to repel Durge's attack.

Actually the Mon Cals have lancers too, but thats just representative of a culturally defined combat style (they're more of an "ancient order" type thing.) Much like the Gungans (Get serious - their combat style only works because of their technological advancement and the Trade Federation are idiots. I'd bet any conventional army, IE the Empire, would slaughter them.)

Connor MacLeod wrote:

Clone Sergeant wrote:The stupidity is not over. IIRC, the clone army will employ clone troopers on speeder bikes with lances in a later chapter to repel Durge's attack.

Actually the Mon Cals have lancers too, but thats just representative of a culturally defined combat style (they're more of an "ancient order" type thing.) Much like the Gungans (Get serious - their combat style only works because of their technological advancement and the Trade Federation are idiots. I'd bet any conventional army, IE the Empire, would slaughter them.)

Except that the Mon Cals' lances shoot.

I'm quite pissed that the Republic didn't send underwater vehicles for the battle in Chapter 5. IIRC the official site didn't even mention any underwater vehicles on the Republic. Perhaps they left that part to those *gasp* Calamari.

In battle for kamino, the Mon Cals mock the Republic strategists for not having submersibles present. I'd say its an oversite on the part of the planners. Its not like they've fought a war in the past millenia or anything.

neoolong wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:

Clone Sergeant wrote:The stupidity is not over. IIRC, the clone army will employ clone troopers on speeder bikes with lances in a later chapter to repel Durge's attack.

Actually the Mon Cals have lancers too, but thats just representative of a culturally defined combat style (they're more of an "ancient order" type thing.) Much like the Gungans (Get serious - their combat style only works because of their technological advancement and the Trade Federation are idiots. I'd bet any conventional army, IE the Empire, would slaughter them.)

Except that the Mon Cals' lances shoot.

The Gungans don't.

Its possible the droid lances do (or they could be equipped to!) - Durge may have preferred melee-style combat more though (Didn't he lead them?)

True, I'm just saying that the Mon Cal lancers aren't exactly comparable to the IG Lancers. If the IG's power lances don't shoot.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
The Gungans' lances were crowd-control shock devices.

The Royal Guardsmans' lances are stated to be ceremonial. Functional anti-armor lances are not with precedent.

Well, I guess we could assume that Durge's lance is an exotic, radically sclaed up type of lance- remember the spark that hurts Jar Jar in TPM ... just up that a few orders of magnitude, give Durge and his lance ridiculous strength ... erm ... yeah.

We can chalk up the Clonetroopers inability to stop the initial charge of these droid lancers to insufficient numbers and probably surprise. It's hard to remember, but there certainly weren't huge amounts of Clonetroopers firing back at them.

Saw Chapter 5. It was ok, the floating Acclamators freaked me out a bit.

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:You do recall we saw lance-wielding Gungans in TPM right? And what about the Royal Guardsman?

Yes, lance wielding robots and Calamarians is stupid (Even I can't deny that), but its hardly without precedent.

The Gungans' lances were crowd-control shock devices.

The Royal Guardsmans' lances are stated to be ceremonial. Functional anti-armor lances are not with precedent.

Force pikes are, though, also stated to be capable of slicing through starship bulkheads and airlocks in a few seconds. That is in addition to their being effective crowd control devices due to their ability to deliver a powerful and painful stun charge.

The lances of the Royal Guardsmen are certainly ceremonial, insofar as they are less immediately practical than a blaster when trying to drop an assailant at ten paces. Which is why Royal Guardsmen carry concealed blasters as backup weapons.

Chapter 5, was ok, having the Acclamators float was a little bit weird, though the effect of that beam was visually interesting.
Now, what the hell was that "force"-ball (eh?) thrown by the Jedi?

Warspite wrote:.
Now, what the hell was that "force"-ball (eh?) thrown by the Jedi?

When I saw that, all I could think was "Ugh, they've anime-ized SW. Time to go hang myself"

Warspite wrote:Chapter 5, was ok, having the Acclamators float was a little bit weird, though the effect of that beam was visually interesting.
Now, what the hell was that "force"-ball (eh?) thrown by the Jedi?

I haven't seen the "force ball," or any of the cartoon stuff, but in Splinter of the Mind's Eye there was an incident in which Vader projected a kind of force ball as a form of telekinetic attack. I believe the doohickey was termed a "kinetite."

I just watched Chapter 4. While the Durge bit was silly, it certainly wasn't what I was expecting given all the bitching about it I read (I was expecting Durge to have singlehandedly lifted up an entire AT-TE over his head, given all the screaming about it.)

Well, from the looks of it, Fisto's "Force-Ball" looked like a giant air bubble of impending doom.

Chapter 5 was okay. Wasn't great, but wasn't Chapter 4.

Patrick Ogaard wrote:

Warspite wrote:Chapter 5, was ok, having the Acclamators float was a little bit weird, though the effect of that beam was visually interesting.
Now, what the hell was that "force"-ball (eh?) thrown by the Jedi?

I haven't seen the "force ball," or any of the cartoon stuff, but in Splinter of the Mind's Eye there was an incident in which Vader projected a kind of force ball as a form of telekinetic attack. I believe the doohickey was termed a "kinetite."

Didn't Yoda and Dooku throw some "Force balls" at each other in addition to lightning, or is my memory off?

Tha was absorbing and redirecting Force Lightning.

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One more...

No, but the Dark Jedi Master and (High?) Inquisitor Jerec threw "Force bolts".