Missile Defense - Fuck in the arse or good defense strategy?

[The Kernel]

"In my humble opinion Bill Clinton should have been impeached for losing the nuclear codes. It was a spectacular violation of our national security laws and a cavalier betrayal of the public trust." --Do I need to tell you what's wrong with this statement?

Then you're a fucking moron. The President MUST have access to the
nuclear launch codes, at all times, it is a matter of national security,
or why the fuck do you think you have people walking around with
the god damn football chained to their fucking wrists wherever the
president goes? If he goes jogging, the football carrier goes jogging
behind him, no matter what the weather.

Wow, Shep, nice Red Herring. Read the fucking quote why don't you. I'm well aware that the guy with the football remains perpetually with the president. That quote has nothing to do with that. He's saying that Clinton should have been impeached for losing his fucking nuclear credit card thingy that he kept in his wallet. Gee, let's impeach him for losing his wallet...

[The Kernel]

EDIT: Ahhh, I see that you DO think he should have been impeached for losing his wallet.

Shep, do you know how easy and quick it is to replace those things? Hardly grounds for impeachment.

[MKSheppard]

Gee, let's impeach him for losing his wallet...

No, lets impeach him for losing the FUCKING LAUNCH CODES

With no launch codes, we cannot do a counter strike if someone launched
a strike on us.

[The Kernel]

Gee, let's impeach him for losing his wallet...

No, lets impeach him for losing the FUCKING LAUNCH CODES

With no launch codes, we cannot do a counter strike if someone launched
a strike on us.

Wow, in the FIVE MINUTES IT TAKE TO REPLACE THEM.

[Nathan F]

EDIT: Ahhh, I see that you DO think he should have been impeached for losing his wallet.

Shep, do you know how easy and quick it is to replace those things? Hardly grounds for impeachment.

Quick and easy to replace those things? Surely you are not so dense.

PLEASE tell me you are joking.

[The Kernel]

On a side note, do you really think he was the first US president to do so?

[MKSheppard]

Wow, in the FIVE MINUTES IT TAKE TO REPLACE THEM.

Nope, it takes more than that to replace the codes. This is a secure
system, designed to prevent the accidential release of nuclear weapons
or the intentional release by a single person in the loop.

[The Kernel]

EDIT: Ahhh, I see that you DO think he should have been impeached for losing his wallet.

Shep, do you know how easy and quick it is to replace those things? Hardly grounds for impeachment.

Quick and easy to replace those things? Surely you are not so dense.

PLEASE tell me you are joking.

Oh please, do tell me about the complex process in replacing the President's nuclear launch card. As if they designed the system so that if he lost the card, the US is SOL.

[Nathan F]

Gee, let's impeach him for losing his wallet...

No, lets impeach him for losing the FUCKING LAUNCH CODES

With no launch codes, we cannot do a counter strike if someone launched
a strike on us.

Wow, in the FIVE MINUTES IT TAKE TO REPLACE THEM.

You can't just go type it in and say, "OK, they're changed, it's all good now!"

The ignorance amazes me.

[MKSheppard]

As if they designed the system so that if he lost the card, the US is SOL.

Only the president, and ONLY the president may order a nuclear strike. Period.

[Nathan F]

EDIT: Ahhh, I see that you DO think he should have been impeached for losing his wallet.

Shep, do you know how easy and quick it is to replace those things? Hardly grounds for impeachment.

Quick and easy to replace those things? Surely you are not so dense.

PLEASE tell me you are joking.

Oh please, do tell me about the complex process in replacing the President's nuclear launch card. As if they designed the system so that if he lost the card, the US is SOL.

That card is the ONLY card that has those numbers on it. The President CAN'T loose them! Those numbers are supposed to be on that card's magnetic strip, and that's it.

[The Kernel]

Wow, in the FIVE MINUTES IT TAKE TO REPLACE THEM.

Nope, it takes more than that to replace the codes. This is a secure
system, designed to prevent the accidential release of nuclear weapons
or the intentional release by a single person in the loop.

I'm aware how the system works. I'm also aware that there is built in redundency for just this sort of reason. Do you really think that the president losing his little plastic card will put a clamp on the US's nuclear strike capability?

Just because you don't know the safeguards, doesn't mean they don't exist.

[MKSheppard]

That card is the ONLY card that has those numbers on it.

Exactly

It wouldn't be secure if there were copies floating around now would it

[MKSheppard]

I'm aware how the system works.

Yet you claimed there was no fucking agreement between
North Korea and the US in 1994 to bribe them off with reactors
and fuel oil so they'd stop making plutonium

Why do I not truest your credibility?

[The Kernel]

Let me make this very simple for you guys. YOU HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE HOW THE SYSTEM WORKS IN DETAIL! Neither do I, neither does anyone without the proper clearence. What I do know is that no one would be so stupid to design a system without any backup against losing a fucking credit card. Think about it, would you design such a system?

[Nathan F]

I'm aware how the system works. I'm also aware that there is built in redundency for just this sort of reason. Do you really think that the president losing his little plastic card will put a clamp on the US's nuclear strike capability?

Yes, it does.

I give up...I simply give up... I did not know it was possible for a human being to be so incredibly dense as to think that the launch codes for one of the largest nuclear arsenals in the world was just floating around and easy to replace.

[MKSheppard]

Think about it, would you design such a system?

Yeah. They booted people from SAC for speeding, since you
obviously couldn't be trusted with nuclear weapons.

[Iceberg]

Only an idiot would design such a crucial system with a single point of failure that could fail if the President's wallet slips under the couch cushions.

[MKSheppard]

Only an idiot would design such a crucial system with a single point of failure that could fail if the President's wallet slips under the couch cushions.

This is nuclear weapons, We're talking paranoia to the max; we're talking
spinal emulsification territory, not finger breaking territory.

[Iceberg]

So you expect me to believe that there is NO backup to the card that the president carries with the nuclear go-codes.

WHAT, then, might I ask, exactly is the football FOR?

[EmperorChrostas the Cruel]

The system is to prevent accidental launches, and make sure NO ONE but the pres does it.
It is dependant on the quality of the people using the system, not using the system to cover fuckups!
The system ASSUMES the person using it is reponsible, and vigilant.
Qualities the CINC is SUPPOSED to have.
When it was set up, the idea of accidental launches, or rengade elements trying to launch without proper authorisation, was considered far more likely than the president being derilict in his duty. How times changed.
So much for the idea that the man in charge is allways one of quality.
The burden of the nuclear codes is an atlas like part of being the president. It IS all on your shoulders at that pint.
One that was shirked!

The idea that ANY system is foolproof,comes from one who doesn't know just how ingenious fools can be!

[EmperorChrostas the Cruel]

And no, designinging a system with a single point of failrure is NOT a design flaw, but the only POSSIBLE way to keep the nuclear button in ONLY one man's hands.

Think about it.
Accidental launch, global death.

Failure to counterattack.
Loss of country, life on the globe continues.

We though the chance of LOSING was a better one to take, than the chance of human extinction.
We were erring on the side of humanity's fate.

[EmperorChrostas the Cruel]

And the "football" is the secure wireless keypad and remote link to the launch computers.

Utterly USELESS without the codes.

Access denied.
Access denied.
Access denied.

[MKSheppard]

The system is to prevent accidental launches, and make sure NO ONE but the pres does it.
It is dependant on the quality of the people using the system, not using the system to cover fuckups!
The system ASSUMES the person using it is reponsible, and vigilant.
Qualities the CINC is SUPPOSED to have.
When it was set up, the idea of accidental launches, or rengade elements trying to launch without proper authorisation, was considered far more likely than the president being derilict in his duty. How times changed.
So much for the idea that the man in charge is allways one of quality.
The burden of the nuclear codes is an atlas like part of being the president. It IS all on your shoulders at that pint.
One that was shirked!

Bing, and Chrostas nails it to a tee.

[EmperorChrostas the Cruel]

That of course assumes you can steal the original, or hack into the secure data system.