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StormTrooperTR889 wrote:God used his magic and saved them all. The End.

And that's about it.

You can't take God out of this. Who told noah to make the ark? Who gave him time to do all this? The fact is you can't take God out of the equation because then you lose the point of the whole thing. Do you think that the God that created the whole universe and everything in it has no control over His creations? He made the laws of everything natural and every reaction on every level. I think that He can take care of a little ship. And yes, it was little in compairisn to the universe.

(And fish would cut down the load of the ship, not feed all the animals.)

Lt. Dan wrote:You can't take God out of this. Who told noah to make the ark? Who gave him time to do all this? The fact is you can't take God out of the equation because then you lose the point of the whole thing.

No, you can't put God into this because then you lose the point of the whole thing. We're talking about reality, not fantasy.

Do you think that the God that created the whole universe and everything in it has no control over His creations?

Circular logic: using the impossibility of God's unverified "accomplishments" in order to prove that he must exist and be capable of doing impossible things.

He made the laws of everything natural and every reaction on every level. I think that He can take care of a little ship. And yes, it was little in compairisn to the universe.

So he had the power to kill every living thing on Earth in such a ridiculously moronic fashion that he had to violate countless physical laws in order to do so, and then intervene yet again in order to save Noah and his ship from the inevitable side-effects of his chosen method since his prescribed solution to Noah would have been utterly useless?

Lt. Dan wrote:

StormTrooperTR889 wrote:God used his magic and saved them all. The End.

And that's about it.

Except that just removes any right to use science or logic to validate the story, making it no better than the Little Mermaid for veracities sake.

As an item of faith, no problem go for it. In the course of a locigical debate however... an unprovable dictum such as God did it, loses the argument straight away - oh and it's circular reasoning as well.

Lt. Dan wrote:(And fish would cut down the load of the ship, not feed all the animals.)

No they wouldn't I'm afraid. The Salinisation and silt levels would cause havok in the food chain, no whales would survive a year without Krill, so now you have to put all the Filter-feeder Whales in the Ark, oh, and fill a container with enough Fresh Krill to last them a year... with that kind of displacement the Ark just became a submarine.

So only the Deep Sea fish are surviving, which are impossible for them to fish for (plus when the silt settles all of them will have the same problems the Higher level fish had. So technically there should be almost no fish in the sea.

If you wish to play the God card here, then feel free. But it automatically forfeits the argument.

Hence the reason Creationists mangle and mutilate what little natural science they know, in an attempt to make it seem plausible without resorting to 'God did it'. And they have systematically failed at all attempts. Them's the breaks.

Stonehenge, Michu Pichu, and some shoalin + tibettian monestaries deserve honerable mention, just for having recorded calanders that go back LONGER then the YEC think there was anything around.

Yes not only was there life more then 3000 years ago, people were keeping track of years back then too.

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Stonehenge, Michu Pichu, and some shoalin + tibettian monestaries deserve honerable mention, just for having recorded calanders that go back LONGER then the YEC think there was anything around.

Yes not only was there life more then 3000 years ago, people were keeping track of years back then too.

The oldest written records are Sumerian and date from 3200BC. Those definitely need to be preserved (not exactly our greatest Artifacts, but worthy of preservation).

Rob Wilson wrote: The oldest written records are Sumerian and date from 3200BC. Those definitely need to be preserved (not exactly our greatest Artifacts, but worthy of preservation).

Or there's the oldest Cave paintings in the World (in Northern Italy), dating back 32-36,500 years.

Or the Oldest Lunar Calander (the Lascaux Caves in France), a comparitively youthful 15,000 years old.

yeah, it's nice to know and be able to prove that there was civilization well past their hypothetical 3k-4k year mark.