Anime Recommendations

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-10-17 01:02pm

What's even more stupid is that American companies do the same thing to Asian movies. They did the same digital underwear thing on Shaolin Soccer. It's a movie, if it's not appropriate for kids don't let them watch, don't censor the damn thing.

On another note, I thought that the origin of the big eyes in anime came from American animation. I thought it was derived from stuff like Betty Boop and just caught on. That's what I read somewhere, so I may be wrong.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-17 01:09pm

I don't think so.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-17 01:10pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:GrandMasterTerwynn, I'm a sub person (mostly).

Many fans like to hear how the characters originally sound.

That, and the fact that quite a few dubs are pretty lousy (Love Hina *shudder*).

But subs tend to take your attention away from the scene as your reading it. Also, the subs (many I've seen) tend to lack in translation quality. I prefer to watch it first time through with dubs and then maybe I'll do subs. Even if the voice actors suck for the dubs, you get the story easier and all the goodies of having focused attention on the animation rather than text.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2002-10-17 01:24pm

neoolong wrote:What's even more stupid is that American companies do the same thing to Asian movies. They did the same digital underwear thing on Shaolin Soccer. It's a movie, if it's not appropriate for kids don't let them watch, don't censor the damn thing.

Disney is going to be cutting several minutes out of Shaolin Soccer, when they bring it over to the USA later next year.

On another note, I thought that the origin of the big eyes in anime came from American animation. I thought it was derived from stuff like Betty Boop and just caught on. That's what I read somewhere, so I may be wrong.

Information on the "God of Manga" Dr. Osamu Tezuka and the answer for the eyes.

http://www.abcb.com/ency/t/tezuka_osamu.htm

http://www.tapanime.com/info/history.html

http://www.hanabatake.com/research/tezuka.htm

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-17 01:39pm

neoolong and Rubberanvil are correct. Anime and manga styles can trace their roots to the work of Osamu Tezuka, whose style was influenced by American cartoons (mostly from Disney) at the time (1930s-40s).

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-17 02:16pm

Larz wrote: But subs tend to take your attention away from the scene as your reading it. Also, the subs (many I've seen) tend to lack in translation quality. I prefer to watch it first time through with dubs and then maybe I'll do subs. Even if the voice actors suck for the dubs, you get the story easier and all the goodies of having focused attention on the animation rather than text.

That's why I watch it at least twice.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-17 02:32pm

I usually watch subs first (have to with fan subs). I really don't have a problem reading subtitles and watching the action, since I can read very fast and tend to look at the entire frame. If I'm currious, I might watch the dub.

I while back I made a list rating several different anime dubs to an A-F grading method (plus X for the truely awful ones). If anyone wants to see it, I'd be happy to post it later (~3:00 PM, Central), because I have to study right now.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-17 02:38pm

Well I though Japanimation was a fun little pun when I first heard its. Its better than anime, which unless you know romanji always looks like "anne me!" Maybe it should be spelled AhNeeMeh! Japanimation sounds really grand if you do it right. You can get really dramatic with it! FILMED IN JAPANIMATION! Hey! That's right! Its just like SUPERMARIONATION! of Gerry Anderson fame! That was always a cool part of the opener, when they show the Supermarionation title with the factory blowing up behind it.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-10-17 03:12pm

Most real fans consider it a racist pun, and violently hate it.

To hear it is the equivalent of pulling your own fingernails out.

Nobody uses "japanimation" unless they're against it or are 10 years behind everone else.

Just don't ever call it that fucking name ever again in my presence.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-17 03:54pm

Real fans? I always knew anime fandom could be really elitist. Are you even a person native to Japan? Seems to me you're being offended for them, like this the "nigger" thing over again. That term started out as being racist and it was thrown back in the faces of bigots when it became normal slang. I think you're blowning the Japanimation thing out of proportion.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-17 03:55pm

neoolong wrote:What's even more stupid is that American companies do the same thing to Asian movies. They did the same digital underwear thing on Shaolin Soccer. It's a movie, if it's not appropriate for kids don't let them watch, don't censor the damn thing.

Jesus.. There's absolutely NOTHING in Shaolin Soccer that anyone could find objectionable. (okay, there's an arse in one scene, for about a second...)

It's a 12 at MOST.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2002-10-17 04:12pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:neoolong and Rubberanvil are correct. Anime and manga styles can trace their roots to the work of Osamu Tezuka, whose style was influenced by American cartoons (mostly from Disney) at the time (1930s-40s).

You and almost everyone else have forgotten the "Looney Tunes" and Tex Avery's cartoons from the same time period.

VF5SS on the term "ni--er" no non-ghetto white person can use it unless they want to be label a racist. The term "japanimation" was only tolerated when nearly everybody in the mainstream pop. didn't knew what was anime.

Also anime is pronounced Annie-May .

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-17 04:14pm

I know its pronouced "annie may", I took Japanese for two years... Still I don't see that much of a problem with Japanimation.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-17 04:20pm

Rubberanvil wrote:The term "japanimation" was only tolerated when nearly everybody in the mainstream pop. didn't knew what was anime.

If you're in Japan, 'anime' is a general term for anything and everything animated. (It's just a contraction of animation).

I don't distinguish between east and west in animation, there's no difference in artistic merit between Toy Story or The Iron Giant and Princess Mononoke or Akira. Different subject matter, but only as different as Gladiator and Blade Runner.

The term 'anime' used as a separator for Japanese animation (occasionally carying the caveat that it's better than western animation) is silly.

Same goes for comics. It doesn't matter if it was written by Tezuka or Moore, it's a comic.

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2002-10-17 04:22pm

I'm with Vendetta on this one.

Rubberanvil · Post by **Rubberanvil** » 2002-10-17 04:46pm

Vendetta it is nice to see someone who share my opinion of anime and manga.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-10-17 05:15pm

Vendetta wrote:
neoolong wrote:What's even more stupid is that American companies do the same thing to Asian movies. They did the same digital underwear thing on Shaolin Soccer. It's a movie, if it's not appropriate for kids don't let them watch, don't censor the damn thing.
Jesus.. There's absolutely NOTHING in Shaolin Soccer that anyone could find objectionable. (okay, there's an arse in one scene, for about a second...)

It's a 12 at MOST.

I was talking generally about censorship. Not all cartoons are made for kids. So I think that they shouldn't be cut up to make it watchable for kids. Same thing applies for editing movies.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-17 05:21pm

Vendetta wrote:
Rubberanvil wrote:The term "japanimation" was only tolerated when nearly everybody in the mainstream pop. didn't knew what was anime.
If you're in Japan, 'anime' is a general term for anything and everything animated. (It's just a contraction of animation).

I don't distinguish between east and west in animation, there's no difference in artistic merit between Toy Story or The Iron Giant and Princess Mononoke or Akira. Different subject matter, but only as different as Gladiator and Blade Runner.

The term 'anime' used as a separator for Japanese animation (occasionally carying the caveat that it's better than western animation) is silly.

Same goes for comics. It doesn't matter if it was written by Tezuka or Moore, it's a comic.

Its the style that their done in though. You wouldn't call an Impressionist painting Post-Modern... you call it an Impressionist painting. Its the same as Anime and Manga. Anime (though it is just a contraction of the word animation) has gained a new social meaning. Manga helps catagorize it in the Japanese forum... no longer is it the american "comic". Its preservation of the works origin as well as a way to diferentiate two different catagories of the same medium. More later... got Chem lab now... Ciao.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-10-17 05:21pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:GrandMasterTerwynn, I'm a sub person (mostly).

Many fans like to hear how the characters originally sound.

That, and the fact that quite a few dubs are pretty lousy (Love Hina *shudder*).

Sometimes I'm interested in what was originally said. So I watch my stuff with the subtitles on. And yes, some dubs are of rather lousy quality. Some people think that the subtitles detract from the viewing experience, but I tend to be of the opinion that they haven't mastered the art of multitasking yet.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-17 05:29pm

[quote="Larz]Its the style that their done in though. You wouldn't call an Impressionist painting Post-Modern.[/quote]

This is a bollocks argument.

There's as much differentitaion between, say Shirow and Miyasaki as there are between Shrow and McKean.

There is no 'style' that defines japanese comics, I defy you to look at a page of Goseki Kojima's art and tel me it's the same 'style' as a page of Akira Toriyama's.

Every single artist has their own style, there is no heading that sets Rumiko Takahashi and Yukito Kishiro in one corner and Roman Dirge and Bryan Talbot in the other. (and what, pray, is Adam Warren in your mindview)

If it's a story told in words and pictures, IT IS A COMIC, if it's an animated movie, its an animated movie, no matter how, where, and by who it was made.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-10-17 05:31pm

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote: Sometimes I'm interested in what was originally said. So I watch my stuff with the subtitles on. And yes, some dubs are of rather lousy quality. Some people think that the subtitles detract from the viewing experience, but I tend to be of the opinion that they haven't mastered the art of multitasking yet.

I watch things with subtitles, always, because the 'actors' who squat out the dubs are always utterly wank.

They should use actors used to performing on radio.

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-17 07:45pm

Vendetta wrote:[quote="Larz]Its the style that their done in though. You wouldn't call an Impressionist painting Post-Modern.

This is a bollocks argument.

There's as much differentitaion between, say Shirow and Miyasaki as there are between Shrow and McKean.

There is no 'style' that defines japanese comics, I defy you to look at a page of Goseki Kojima's art and tel me it's the same 'style' as a page of Akira Toriyama's.

Every single artist has their own style, there is no heading that sets Rumiko Takahashi and Yukito Kishiro in one corner and Roman Dirge and Bryan Talbot in the other. (and what, pray, is Adam Warren in your mindview)

If it's a story told in words and pictures, IT IS A COMIC, if it's an animated movie, its an animated movie, no matter how, where, and by who it was made.[/quote]

Each to his own I suppose. To some there are differences, even if it is just the ethnicity or aim of the author. Point is, to many, Manga is Manga and Comics are Comics... their is a defined line between the two. To me, there is a difference. I'll call a comic a comic, a manga a manga, and occasionally if I'm feeling maticulous enough I'll call a trade paperback just that. No point squabling over sociatal differences (for I can really see this turning into the "How should Tomato be pronounced" debate... completely pointless and no one is right or wrong).

Larz · Post by **Larz** » 2002-10-17 07:47pm

Most the rest of that should be quoted of Vendetta... stupid quote button... stupid no edit button...

Sam Or I · Post by **Sam Or I** » 2002-10-17 09:18pm

When the main language is in Japanese it is I consider it Japanese animation, or if it is a bad dub, same thing. There are differences between countries humor and art, and you can tell big time what is American and what is not [i] most [/i] of the time. I mean I can tell British humor from American, yes it is all humor, but there is a difference.

Moonshadow · Post by **Moonshadow** » 2002-10-18 02:10am

well I watched Escaflowne and i will say i am impressed. My experiance with Anime based RPGs will say the Characters are well drawn. Voice acting was descent, but its not on par with Grandia II, a great Dreamcast RPG( don't get the PS2 version unless you don't own a Dreamcast. if you own a Dreamcast get the Dreamcast version. the PS2 version is flawed). One thing to note it seems the main female Characters English voice actress might be Jenifer Hale, who was Elena from the Afore mentioned Grandia II. I may not know too much about Anime( with the exception of RPGs), but i will say this one is worth a try. I feel i got my money's worth and i might watch it some more times. Now since my selection is limited, i'll be getting "X" next.