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18-Till-I-Die wrote:If Asajj is supposed to be weak, why did they even bother sending her? Why not send Grevious, or Dooku or something if they want to take out Anakin?

Well, maybe they don't actually want to take out Anakin, him being on the choosen one but they realise that the jedi would epect them to try and take out lil Annie ao they make a half assed effortr to maintain appearences.

Vympel wrote:Oh for fuck's sake:

Linl

Anakin followed Asajj through hyperspace to the ancient Sith temples of Yavin 4. Anakin continued his pursuit on foot, aided by clone troopers. Using the Force, Asajj whittled away the clone trooper guards, and then began a stunning lightsaber duel with Anakin. So skilled was she, Asajj even proved to be a challenge to the fabled Chosen One of Jedi legend. To defeat her, Anakin needed the edge granted by giving into anger. In a furious counter-attack, young Skywalker repulsed Ventress, who nevertheless survived.

Can we please have some resolution for some of these episodes? Durge lives, Asajj Ventress lives, does anything of consequence happen, or what?

Several Jedi, including Shaak Ti, the Twi'lek from AotC, and I think one of the Jedi Council members are apparenly dead as if right now. Ventress ripped them apart.

Ki-adi-mundi is also dead.

It wasn't ventress. It was General Grevious.

They already have the info on the battle up at SW.com.

Apparently, Alaya Secura(the Twi'Lek) managed to survive Grevious's assault. Shaak's fate is unknown. Ki-Adi-Mundi is somehow going to survive, as he's mentioned again in action a year later.

Daakman Barrek is obviously dead, as is Sha'a' Gi(*STOMP*)

Tar Sierr is most likely dead. K'Kruhk will be very lucky if he survives.

How do we know the Twi'lek and Ki-Adi-Mundi are dead/alive?

Vympel wrote:How do we know the Twi'lek and Ki-Adi-Mundi are dead/alive?

Read the updates to their entry. (The twi'lek's name is Aayla Secura, btw)

anyone get the joke? Sha'a Gi - Shaggy.. he even looks like him (A scooby doo reference in STar Wars )

I thought he reminded me of Shaggy, but I didn't make the name connection. I was like "what's with this Jedi that looks like a geek?"

Wow

General Grievous OWNED

He wounded one Jedi (K'Krukh), killed two (Shaa'Gi and Tarr Seir), and the other three lived (Ki-Adi Mundi, Aayla Secura and Shaak'Ti) . The two he killed were of low rank and skill.

Connor MacLeod wrote:Read the updates to their entry. (The twi'lek's name is Aayla Secura, btw)

Aayla Secura:

Four months into the Clone Wars, Aayla Secura was part of an elite Jedi taskforce sent to assist Jedi General Daakman Barrek in destroying a massive droid foundry on Hypori. The mission proved to be a disaster and thousands of battle droids surrounded the Jedi, led by the evil commander of the Separatist forces, General Grievous. Aayla barely escaped Hypori with her life.

Ki-Adi-Mundi:

At the outbreak of the Clone Wars, Ki-Adi-Mundi commanded clone trooper forces on Lianna and Hypori. The latter proved to be almost fatal, as his group of Jedi Knights were almost wiped out by the evil General Grievous.

About a year later, Ki-Adi-Mundi and Bultar Swan led forces on Aargonar.

Looks like General Grievous isn't that good a fighter against Jedi after all- even with all his droid enhancements, he couldn't finish the job against any of the more skilled ones (it appears that the ill-fated General Barrek died from concentrated blaster fire).

Also in Ch 20, K'Krukh was only gravely wounded, not killed.

I guess we can assume that a rescue force led by Obi Wan and Anakin foiled Grievous' plans and pulled the remaining Jedi out of there.

Apparently, in a bit of irony, Obi Wan kills Grievous with his own blaster, rather than a lightsabre

Vympel wrote:
Aayla Secura:

Four months into the Clone Wars, Aayla Secura was part of an elite Jedi taskforce sent to assist Jedi General Daakman Barrek in destroying a massive droid foundry on Hypori. The mission proved to be a disaster and thousands of battle droids surrounded the Jedi, led by the evil commander of the Separatist forces, General Grievous. Aayla barely escaped Hypori with her life.

You'll note she obviously survived because she made a big fucking hole in the wall of whatever that was (a downed starship?) Which suggests Force powers. (Ironically this suggests the other Jedi who was supposedly killed might also have survived since I dont think a squishy organic body could make a hole in metal by itself.)

Looks like General Grievous isn't that good a fighter against Jedi after all- even with all his droid enhancements, he couldn't finish the job against any of the more skilled ones (it appears that the ill-fated General Barrek died from concentrated blaster fire).

I bet if he came up against Mace or Yoda, he'd get his ass kicked. Frankly I'd love to see Super-Windu go up against him

Also in Ch 20, K'Krukh was only gravely wounded, not killed.

I guess we can assume that a rescue force led by Obi Wan and Anakin foiled Grievous' plans and pulled the remaining Jedi out of there.

Obi-Wan beat Durge, who I think (aside from the whole lance fetish he has) is a harder opponent, so he should mop the floor with Grievous.

Apparently, in a bit of irony, Obi Wan kills Grievous with his own blaster, rather than a lightsabre[/quote]

Like I said...

oh yeah, and the hammer weapon (the "seismic tank") appears to be a mining vehicle adapted for military use.

Connor MacLeod wrote:oh yeah, and the hammer weapon (the "seismic tank") appears to be a mining vehicle adapted for military use.

It handily explains why they lost the war- too busy converting inappropriate weapons to terror machines ...

Vympel wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:oh yeah, and the hammer weapon (the "seismic tank") appears to be a mining vehicle adapted for military use.

It handily explains why they lost the war- too busy converting inappropriate weapons to terror machines ...

You know, technological and military realism is one thing, but there sis someting called low morale. If you're whole family were crushed by a giant hammer, how long would you keep fighting?

18-Till-I-Die wrote: You know, technological and military realism is one thing, but there sis someting called low morale. If you're whole family were crushed by a giant hammer, how long would you keep fighting?

If your whole family was blown up by a bomb, how long would you keep fighting? It does nothing that can't be done already.

Speaking of family, the kid in that episode really pissed me off for no reason whatsoever: it was just because he was there, really.

Way too much of a Samurai Jackism for me.

Vympel wrote:

Connor MacLeod wrote:oh yeah, and the hammer weapon (the "seismic tank") appears to be a mining vehicle adapted for military use.

It handily explains why they lost the war- too busy converting inappropriate weapons to terror machines ...

The Separatists? What do you expect? They were largely a tool which allowed Palpy to gain control of a war-time Republic and to help him thin the ranks of the Jedi who might represent a danger. It makes perfect sense that your enemy is largely made up of incompetents (except for a handful of invididuals who are probably under your direct control, like Dooku, or through them.) so that when their usefulness is at an end you can eventually curb-stomp them effectively. That's what happens when you let businessmen play at being warriors, particularily when they're the pawns of a greater foe.

Vympel wrote:

18-Till-I-Die wrote: You know, technological and military realism is one thing, but there sis someting called low morale. If you're whole family were crushed by a giant hammer, how long would you keep fighting?

If your whole family was blown up by a bomb, how long would you keep fighting? It does nothing that can't be done already.

you seem to keep expecting intelligence on the part of the Separatists for some reason. Are you seeing this long list of military accomplisments on their part that I am somehow missing?

Connor MacLeod wrote:That's what happens when you let businessmen play at being warriors, particularily when they're the pawns of a greater foe.

I wouldn't be harsh on the Seperatists. Until recently they were the entire military might of the Republic, really, and Kuat's military seems to be professional.

Perhaps the Seperatists suffer from the Third Reich's penchant for overengineering solutions and technological absurdities?

Is the Seismic Hammer the end result of oppurtunistic modifications and "Amerika Bomber"-style strategic thinking?

Just finished watching the last few episodes. Pretty good, overall.

Though I don't like Ventress' "old hag" voice at all, and think it was a poor choice. Better would have been a low female voice, maybe with a European accent, in my opinion.

Grievous is /\/\4[) \/\/!k|<![), though I was hoping to see his arms separate and fight with four sabres. Perhaps they're saving the best for EIII.

you seem to keep expecting intelligence on the part of the Separatists for some reason. Are you seeing this long list of military accomplisments on their part that I am somehow missing?

I'm just responding to 18's continuous defense of this absurd weapon.

Re: "Seismic tank"

If that is the atrocity from episode 12, that thing had better be a manufacturing vehicle, in my 'humble' opinion.

The same effect can be achieved by firing a shell or other explosive at the target.

The only thing I could think to explain it, is that the machine is used for LARGE-scale manufacturing, like a giant stamping press. It was being transferred to a Separatist factory(old one got blown up), and the Clone Troopers caught it on the way. Both sides crashed on the planet, and their ships were damaged. Both sides send troops to destroy the other side, and start repairing their own vessel.

Thus the clone trooper/Super battle droid battle at the beginning.

The stomper has better repair facilities, and manages to get repaired first. The droids pilot it over the battlefield, as it has no inherent weapons, and use the stomper to start attacking the clone forces. The Separatists ordered that as the droids can be easily replaced (and it looked like the clones were winning), while the clones require 10 years to be replaced.

It has enough protection from small-arms fire (due to its designed environment being the equivalent of a blast furnace), so it just proceeds to stomp on the clone troopers.

Otherwise, to quote another SDnet person:

The Stupid! It burns!

Also, when Yoda uses Padme's chief of security as a puppet, I got annoyed at that. The man is trying to do his best to protect Padme, and Yoda not only overrides him, but uses him as a puppet, to make him look foolish in front of Padme as well.

Even worse, Padme is delighted by the show of power.

Now if Yoda had simply told the security chief, that he was redirecting the ship, no matter what the Security chief wanted, that I would have accepted. But using him in that manner, seems an abuse of power.

Episode 15, where the two Jedi face off against the proto-probe droids, was fun to watch. The two acted in perfect synchronization, each of them attacking and guarding each other. At the end, when the Master kneeled to hold up the rocks, and send the Force distress, the Knight did the same. I don't know, it was cool for me.

(Just watched 16-20)

Episode 16:
When Padme went to search for Yoda, her security chief should have gone with her. There should have been technicians inside to fix things. If not, Artoo should have done it.

Then, when Padme got attacked by the droids, I was all but hoping she would get captured, and Yoda would have to rescue her. Instead, she winds up destroying three of the proto-probe droids herself. She is treating combat like a game now, because she knows that a Jedi will be there to save her if she gets in trouble.

Episode 17:
The clone troopers should have had a datalink or heavy scanners going, so they would know that their personnel were getting picked off, one at a time. Plus, the ship could have dropped off the troops, then gone into a low orbit, to provide scanner coverage.

Episode 18:
When Anakin goes into the trees, and Anajj (Sith chick) just does those little tricks (breaking the branch he is standing on, and cutting the vine), I was laughing. Those are maneuvers designed to break your opponent's concentration, which a Jedi depends on.

At the end, I half-expected Anakin to say something like, "Are you through playing," or "Haven't seen this place on the galactic tour guide". Essentially, trying to break her concentration.

Episode 19:
When they were Force pushing each other into stuff, and other stuff onto each toher, I think the two were using a Force TK shield to protect themselves from serious damage.

Episode 20:
The battle droids lined up side-by-side, in open view? They had better tactics in TPM, where they used the cover from the columns in the palace to shoot back at the Naboo guard.

Why was a Jedi waving a lightsaber around in celebration, with troops all around him? He should have turned it off first.

The 'robot' general? Looked like an organic eye in the view. So he could be still human in the brain and head, and the rest is robotic. So he could be a potential Sith, or someone who has had a battle computer part of him for so long.

Still, 5 Jedi should have owned him, unless their concentration was gone. I figure 1 Jedi council member, 2 Jedi masters, plus a pair of Padawan should have been able to handle him. The only way for the general to win would be to stay on the attack all the time, so all the Jedi were using all their skills to defend themselves, instead of attacking.

Or, the Jedi were simply tired, and their connection to the Force had mostly faded.

My long-winded humble opinion.

Vympel wrote:

you seem to keep expecting intelligence on the part of the Separatists for some reason. Are you seeing this long list of military accomplisments on their part that I am somehow missing?

I'm just responding to 18's continuous defense of this absurd weapon.

Hey dont hate me for enjoying the entertainment value of a show first and trying to put a realistic face on it second. Besides, it's not like the SW universe is populated by ingenuius engineers and stategists anyway...or are we forgetting the highly vulnerable exhaust port on that mobie space fortress that proves to be it's achilles heel?

Something that was bothinging me though:

General Grevious or whatever his name was actually did own those Jedi, weather he killed them or not beating the hell out of them is just as good. And yet i felt he'd been more powefrul, like just ripping them apart while their lightsabers bounced off his armour or something; i also felt the Jedi seemed less powerful in that fight than they did on the other episodes and in the movies, and i felt they were very exhausted andweakened compared to Grevious. It seems like a truely good Jedi, like Anakin or Windu, or Obi Wan, would simply own his ass in battle...

18-Till-I-Die wrote:

Vympel wrote:

you seem to keep expecting intelligence on the part of the Separatists for some reason. Are you seeing this long list of military accomplisments on their part that I am somehow missing?

I'm just responding to 18's continuous defense of this absurd weapon.

Hey dont hate me for enjoying the entertainment value of a show first and trying to put a realistic face on it second. Besides, it's not like the SW universe is populated by ingenuius engineers and stategists anyway...or are we forgetting the highly vulnerable exhaust port on that mobie space fortress that proves to be it's achilles heel?

Which required what again to kill and who?

Oh that's right a jedi neophyte...yeah hundreds of them lying about after the whole scouring of the Jedi.

And what did they do with the second itineration?

Damn it all, they got rid of that problem...so stop making broad generalizations.

You can enjoy the entertainment but when you make an assertition back it up with fact and proof that it's more effective then a bomb and not your subjective enjoyment of said object.