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Because I had some time to kill I decided to follow in the footsteps of Bean and use my leet *cough* MS Paint skills to produce a (draft) map of the Frequesuan continent.



Do my fellow Frequesuans (Coiler, Raj, Karmic) approve of this version, or will laughter and ridicule be my just dessert? Find out after the break!

(Obviously we'd have to fill up the rest of the continent but to launch an attempt to do so before the basic shape of the continent is approved would seem... Pointless.)

I like it.

PeZook wrote:Okay

I just finished the first year of the war ; How about the MESS gets involved when the Shadows sink a passenger ship carrying various overseas nationals?

Sounds good to me!

PeZook wrote:Okay...so...is anybody else going to participate in WWI? If not, I'll wrap it up today.

I'm probably too late, but Indhopal would be involved fighting for Shroomania, as at that time Indhopal was a commonwealth of the Shroom.

Sorry for the late notice.

I don't mind the basic shape and position of my country on the Frequesueian map at all. Good job, Siegetank.

SiegeTank wrote:Because I had some time to kill I decided to follow in the footsteps of Bean and use my leet *cough* MS Paint skills to produce a (draft) map of the Frequesuan continent.



Do my fellow Frequesuans (Coiler, Raj, Karmic) approve of this version, or will laughter and ridicule be my just dessert? Find out after the break!

(Obviously we'd have to fill up the rest of the continent but to launch an attempt to do so before the basic shape of the continent is approved would seem... Pointless.)

I like the map (Its a lot better than most of my attempts), but we might want it to be bigger. Perhaps you could just stretch out the map and add more into the middle? I want the space for a huge Congo equivalent in there somewhere! Also with longer distances, it would make interventions more difficult and interesting, rather than having us able to fly sorties out of our own bases. For my nation I was thinking of having a smaller population and perhaps a bigger land area. I'm thinking having vast empty spaces would be more interesting. It makes militas crossing the border oh so more difficult to stop .

Raj Ahten wrote:
I like the map (Its a lot better than most of my attempts), but we might want it to be bigger. Perhaps you could just stretch out the map and add more into the middle? I want the space for a huge Congo equivalent in there somewhere! Also with longer distances, it would make interventions more difficult and interesting, rather than having us able to fly sorties out of our own bases. For my nation I was thinking of having a smaller population and perhaps a bigger land area. I'm thinking having vast empty spaces would be more interesting. It makes militas crossing the border oh so more difficult to stop .

I also think that a larger total land area would be nicer.

Raj Ahten wrote:I like the map (Its a lot better than most of my attempts), but we might want it to be bigger. Perhaps you could just stretch out the map and add more into the middle?

Karmic Knight wrote:I also think that a larger total land area would be nicer.

Your wish is my command: behold, Frequesue, now with extra Terra Incognita!

(Do we need any more? I could enlarge it even further if we think that's neccesary...)

I want the space for a huge Congo equivalent in there somewhere! Also with longer distances, it would make interventions more difficult and interesting, rather than having us able to fly sorties out of our own bases. For my nation I was thinking of having a smaller population and perhaps a bigger land area. I'm thinking having vast empty spaces would be more interesting. It makes militas crossing the border oh so more difficult to stop .

Well, to give you some sense of the scale of the place, I envisioned Indhopal as roughly the size of South Africa (my own place isn't actually as big as it's shown on this map, but I doubt you'd even be able to see much of San Dorado if it were to scale ). Anyway, I agree with supersizing the map a bit - it does look more like a continent rather than an oversized island now. And I think the new version certainly leaves plenty of room for Congo-esque failed states!

Any thoughts about the names of the states we want in there? I imagine Karmic might want to name the state to his south, and I've got an idea for an unstable neighboring state called Tanstaafl, so I propose we all come up with what we'd like our immediate vicinity to look like.

BEAN:

Shroomania is a slightly geographically larger Britain (I'm still using my old Shroomania map) to the west of PeZookia, separated by the Shroomish Channel.

Indhopal Gurkhas in the First War of the World? Langley Legionnaires!

Siege Tank: Awesome work on the map . Btw, do we have any ideas on what sort of climate this continent will have? Are we Africa or are we more temperate like the US? Or are we in the Frozen North?

Edit: For me I'd probably prefer a temperate climate the best, with lots of rain and such coming from the east. Some of my indigenous tribes have a very Northwest US Indian vibe to them, and that would help a bit with the back story. That and I like the idea of having winters. It also makes our shitholes different from a lot of real world shitholes that mostly seem to be subtropical in nature.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:BEAN:

Shroomania is a slightly geographically larger Britain (I'm still using my old Shroomania map) to the west of PeZookia, separated by the Shroomish Channel.

Indhopal Gurkhas in the First War of the World? Langley Legionnaires!

See? This is me trying to get a picture in my mind, Get back here Stas!

Raj Ahten wrote:Siege Tank: Awesome work on the map . Btw, do we have any ideas on what sort of climate this continent will have? Are we Africa or are we more temperate like the US? Or are we in the Frozen North?

Edit: For me I'd probably prefer a temperate climate the best, with lots of rain and such coming from the east. Some of my indigenous tribes have a very Northwest US Indian vibe to them, and that would help with bit of back story. That and like the idea of having winters and it makes our shitholes different from a lot of real world shitholes that mostly seem to be subtropical in nature.

I second a Temperate climate.

2. Great Map Siegetank.

Coyote wrote:

PeZook wrote:Okay

I just finished the first year of the war ; How about the MESS gets involved when the Shadows sink a passenger ship carrying various overseas nationals?

Sounds good to me!

Slight problem: the MESS is formed as a reaction to the "great war" (or, apparently, we're having two of them?). So it'd be rather hard for the MESS to choose sides...since it doesn't formally exist.

Future MESS members might get involved, but the alliance itself, for obvious reasons, cannot.

I actually think the weather has a lot to do with why shitholes are shitholes. I mean, come on! Almost every third world shithole, save for those East Europe hellholes, barely have more than two seasons per year


But, yeah. Indhopal PMCs taking on Libertian boy soldiers while the autumn leaves fall down in the mulberry tree forests would be awesome! As would Langley Legionnaires in their APCs driving through the snowy streets, with fields of landmines and snowmen to their sides!

"SEASON'S GREETINGS FROM CAPETOWN, COILERBURG!"



Mmm.... I think San Dorado would be better suited as an island or something. It would NOT DO for a Muhammad Farrah Aidid to march his army into City 17 and ruin a Super Spectacle Sight without anyone noticing due to riots... until the riot subsides and someone finally realizes that there are Somalians bumming about in one of the aforementioned Super Spectacle Sights!

Perhaps San Dorado can be an island, the Hong Kong of Frequesue. If the Old Continent, as Siege's Arrow says, is to the "Left" then San Dorado could be an island on the left side of Frequesue as well, making it an important trade-hub island for any ships bound for mainland Frequesue.

An island San Dorado would mean that it would have to deal with Somali pirates from Frequesue. And how would San Dorado deal with them? WITH THEIR OWN PIRATES!



@ RogueIce:

The Old Continent and the FUN's origins (the history alliance between Shroomania and PeZookia) began with the First War of the World.

Why don't the MESS get their shot in the Second War of the World?

WW1 was, like, between the Great Powers (Shroomania, PeZookia, Shadow). While WW2 was an ALL OUT SLUGFEST between the new Superpowers (i.e. the MESS).

With Japistan being Japan, and Shepistan being Pakistan (or something), then the Second War of the World (2WOTW) would probably see stuff like the Pacific Front of WW2.

Which would mean your island nations could kick ass! NAVIES! Carriers! Kamikazes! But without the advent of the atomic bomb, the decisive blow that would've caused the surrender of Japistan would've never been struck!

Shroom Man 777 wrote:@ RogueIce:

The Old Continent and the FUN's origins (the history alliance between Shroomania and PeZookia) began with the First War of the World.

Why don't the MESS get their shot in the Second War of the World?

Until today, I didn't know we were having a second world war. I only knew of the first.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:WW1 was, like, between the Great Powers (Shroomania, PeZookia, Shadow). While WW2 was an ALL OUT SLUGFEST between the new Superpowers (i.e. the MESS).

With Japistan being Japan, and Shepistan being Pakistan (or something), then the Second War of the World (2WOTW) would probably see stuff like the Pacific Front of WW2.

Which would mean your island nations could kick ass! NAVIES! Carriers! Kamikazes! But without the advent of the atomic bomb, the decisive blow that would've caused the surrender of Japistan would've never been struck!

I actually had some thoughts about all of this. Let me better organize them and I'll come back here.

RogueIce wrote:Slight problem: the MESS is formed as a reaction to the "great war" (or, apparently, we're having two of them?). So it'd be rather hard for the MESS to choose sides...since it doesn't formally exist.

Future MESS members might get involved, but the alliance itself, for obvious reasons, cannot.

It would probably be obvious by then, however, who was lining up with who.

Raj Ahten wrote:Siege Tank: Awesome work on the map . Btw, do we have any ideas on what sort of climate this continent will have? Are we Africa or are we more temperate like the US? Or are we in the Frozen North?

I'd propose a temperate south and a more subtropical north, similar to Australia (that would place our continent on the southern hemisphere of our planet, incidentally). This would leave us with you and Karmic in the temperate south, whereas me and Coiler would be in the more tropical north, which suits me well because I've always envisioned San Dorado as a vaguely tropical metropolis.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Perhaps San Dorado can be an island, the Hong Kong of Frequesue. If the Old Continent, as Siege's Arrow says, is to the "Left" then San Dorado could be an island on the left side of Frequesue as well, making it an important trade-hub island for any ships bound for mainland Frequesue.

I need a connection with the mainland for many of the plot ideas I've got dreamed up to work, plus I don't want to hide on an island. My military and national guard are more than competent enough to hold off the occasional militia.

An island San Dorado would mean that it would have to deal with Somali pirates from Frequesue. And how would San Dorado deal with them? WITH THEIR OWN PIRATES!

Shroom, we've got an actual navy these days. Somali pirates got nothing on my nuclear cruiser (or the Citidef flying boats for that matter -- peppering Somali speedboats with .50cals since 1951!)

SiegeTank wrote: I'd propose a temperate south and a more subtropical north, similar to Australia (that would place our continent on the southern hemisphere of our planet, incidentally). This would leave us with you and Karmic in the temperate south, whereas me and Coiler would be in the more tropical north, which suits me well because I've always envisioned San Dorado as a vaguely tropical metropolis.

That sounds good to me.

SiegeTank wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:Siege Tank: Awesome work on the map . Btw, do we have any ideas on what sort of climate this continent will have? Are we Africa or are we more temperate like the US? Or are we in the Frozen North?

I'd propose a temperate south and a more subtropical north, similar to Australia (that would place our continent on the southern hemisphere of our planet, incidentally). This would leave us with you and Karmic in the temperate south, whereas me and Coiler would be in the more tropical north, which suits me well because I've always envisioned San Dorado as a vaguely tropical metropolis.

I like this placement.

Cool, you guys can be a wartorn Australia! Does this mean we'll get postapocalyptic motorists in Frequesue's semi-arid heartland?

Yes, we need a landlocked third-world SUPER shithole! Terra Libertia... 2: The Return of the Revenge!

RogueIce wrote:I actually had some thoughts about all of this. Let me better organize them and I'll come back here.

OK, here we go.

The Great War (Continental War? Whatever) kicks off, with people picking sides for either their own selfish reasons (winning side, land grab, whatever) or historical friendly (or at least close enough) reasons. However, nobody's ever really done this whole international thing so it turns into a big bloody morass. One side or the other may make some gains, but they alone don't have the ability to capitalize on it and their allies don't really support them well enough to help. So it's basically a stalemate.

This rages along the Old Continent for awhile, with others more distant maybe helping, maybe not. Eventually the "Allies" win by virtue of attrition, eventually getting their act (somewhat) together, and maybe some of the NPC "Axis" nations bailing.

So there's an allied "victory" but it left a lot of people dead and a lot of territory fucked up. Nothing really Versailles Treaty like though, as the Allies themselves aren't in a strong enough position to force that through.

Because of this, a couple organizations pop up. First is the League of Sovereign States (LSS), headed up be PeZookia, Shroomania, and whoever. A loose coalition of sorts but plauged by problems; Shroomania is dealing with ever more of it's colonies wanting independence and is distracted (plus former colonies now states and a part of the LSS screw around to fuck with Shroomania), PeZookia is weakened from the war, things like that. It eventually flops when the Shadows start causing trouble and, well, the LSS can't do jack about it.

The other one is the MESS. Because of the utter clusterfuck that was the Great War, we resolve to train together so that if the time ever comes where our alliance needs to fight as one, we can. This is seperate from the LSS, who aren't as interested in war anymore (as they were the ones most heavily involved anyway) and they're not an alliance so much as a global forum. However we take something of an isolationist stance: you leave us alone, we leave you alone.

This goes on for awhile, and thus the Second Great War (or World War) starts, again on the continent. The Allies get beaten back by the Axis some, and ask for help. The MESS responds by...not really responding. Individual countries may do Lend/Lease types of things, but nobody is really interested in fucking around with the Old Continent again. However, the Axis, realizing that there are a bunch of former Shroomanian colonies out there (that are helping, in what way they can...some of them at least) get greedy. They can't take the war to the colonies while dealing with the Continent, so they enlist some help: Japanistan and/or Shepistan.

There's one slight problem here: Shepistan has something of a fued with the Old Dominion. Feeling quite full of themselves, pleased that they're on "the winning side" and suspecting the MESS is basically a paper tiger because of their noninvolvement, they make a move on the Old Dominion.

Big mistake. The MESS gets pissed, angry at this surprise attack and treachery, and our mutual defense pact comes into play. Cue the awakened sleeping giant routine.

And so the war goes, the Allies eventually win, but because there's no atomic bomb we don't really win decisively. Some nations are better off than others (mostly those away from the Old Continent) and there's the whole reconstruction deal. This brings about the FUN: a slightly tighter but still mostly economic trade group (sort of like how they started out last time).

As for the MESS, we decide on a new course. We'll be a bit more proactive in dealing with trouble spots, places that are likely to plunge us into another large war. That doesn't mean we go out and take care of all the world's problems; there's no way we could, and besides we're mostly interested in the "major" stuff, things that might effect us directly, and sometimes we'll get an idealist streak and do something just for the greater good. This of course ebbs and flows with the various political stances that are in place throughout the alliance at any given time; sometimes we're pretty good about it, sometimes we're not.

Anyway, that's my general idea for working with these two world wars. Comments, criticisms, lavish praise?

EDIT: Inspiration behind the LSS name? Because some people will call it the LoSS.

EDIT2: The reasons behind who joins the MESS intially and why remain the same. I posted them...somewhere, I think earlier in this thread?

I'll join the third category.

Very good plan RogueIce.

The League of Ordered/Ordained Sovereign States! LOSS! LOSS! LOSS!

Everyone will hate the Shroomanian Acronymists (yes, it's an actual field in Shroomania)


I think on part of the MESS, perhaps you could have dickery not just from Shepistan, but from Japistan also. The Japistanis start dicking around, perhaps thinking that the MESS is a paper-tiger. The Japistanis also see how Shroomania is in no position to protect her colonial holdings, hence we see something similar to WW2's wars in India and Burma.

Then the Japanistanis get cocky and openly back the Shepistanis and then the stalemate war between the Shepistanis and the Old Dominion becomes no longer a stalemate, and the Old Dominion starts losing - bad.

The situation becomes untenable, and then the MESS prepares to strike back.

But then the Japanistanis decide to launch some great offensive that takes the MESS by surprise, while simultaneously fortifying the fuck out of their conquered territories (including perhaps captured Shroomanian colonies).

It would be sort of shitty if it's just Shepistan and Japistan in the "Pacific side".

We have Shady and Bean as the aggressors in the Old Continent, plus (+) an NPC state of Arab nations.

Maybe Shep and Skimmer, the aggressors of the Pacific Side, can have an NPC state of something-something as well...

Perhaps one of the current MESS members was previously under a dictatorship allied to Shepistan/Japanistan, and only after the MESS victory, the subsequent regime change, and the occupation/rehabilitation/civil war sees the emergence of a new MESS nation?


EDIT:

Yeah... maybe a bunch of smaller NPC states decide to ally with Shepistan and Japanistan because these oppressed masses of "Asian" nations have grown to dislike the MESS... well, the MESS could be like ruled by Rich Old White Men. So these NPC states ally with Shepistan and Japanistan to form...

THE GREATER CO-PROSPERITY SPHERE!

Shroom Man 777 wrote:The League of Ordered/Ordained Sovereign States! LOSS! LOSS! LOSS!

Ok you see, my idea was to have it be subtle and not thrown into everybody's faces.

That crazy guy wrote:I think on part of the MESS, perhaps you could have dickery not just from Shepistan, but from Japistan also.

I didn't want to speak for Skimmer, which is why I left him as a maybe. But I figured since Shep and Lonestar already have the history of clashes it would be ok for them.

But if it's just Shep, how on Earth can he take on the lot of you?


I also suggest that disenfranchisement of the arrogant MESS leadership of Rich Old White Men might cause a bunch of smaller states to ally with Shepistan and Japistan in a GREATER CO-PROSPERITY SPHERE.

Nations like...

Burmidia, Indolaysia, Thainei, Cambonyar, Lietnaos... and etcetera!

Maybe Coilerberg can side with the Axis of the Shadow Empire, Khitan, the Arab States, Shepistan+Japistan+etc=CO-PROSPERITY SPHERE, and etcetera.

Coilerberg versus Indhopal and San Dorado and the Vineyards, as they wage war in the deserts of Central Frequesue! The Desert Fox!

And the Shroomanian-allied San Dorado and Indhopal's tank divisions being led by... Field Marshall Bernard Shroomgomery!

*ducks from various thrown objects*


But Frequesue isn't our Africa. If Canissia is our Egypt... what continent is he on? The Old Continent? Or another place?