SD.net's World OOC/Discussion thread MK II

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-10 05:53pm

PeZook wrote:Uhh, Shep - none of us have actually claimed we want the Blackbeards right the fuck now OMG.

Blame Shroomy. He freaked

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2008-05-10 06:00pm

MKSheppard wrote: Blame Shroomy. He freaked

Yeah, well - Saddamistan really gets our nerves going with his nerve gas and bio agents

How are the SAMBeards going, then? I wanted to start forming an air defence in 2011, but I guess I'll sell obligations now.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-10 06:08pm

PeZook wrote:How are the SAMBeards going, then? I wanted to start forming an air defence in 2011, but I guess I'll sell obligations now.

Major production models are expected to arrive in Q4 2010 and Q1 2011. As in like everyone gets a LOT of them.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-05-10 06:09pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Beowulf wrote:Although the mass driver will require a peak output of 180GW or so of power, it's over the span of .01 seconds. At 170 MW, you can be ready to fire in about 10 minutes per shot.
And how many car batteries of storage is that to hold to hold a 180 GW charge?

I kid about car batteries but seriously, you gotta store that energy some-where and again, Dutchy, 7 billion dollar GDP. That puts you in the ballpark of of Malta at best, The Bahamas at worst. I'm wondering where the multiple millions of dollars of R&D money is coming from? Do you have fellow MESS backers?

Your question makes no sense. You're talking about power, when you could be talking about energy. To address the real question, it's about 10Wh/kg for current technology. IOW, it's about 36kJ/kg. Comes out to about 2500 tons of energy storage. However, the supercapacitor field is advancing rapidly, with claims of 200-300 Wh/kg in near future. The current driver for this technology is electric cars, BTW.

It should be noted that the Navy has special constraints on an operational model, such as it having to actually fit on a ship. No such constraint exists for this.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-10 06:13pm

Shepnukistani intelligence is very concerned over the apparent appearance of Ahmadinajihad to the Sultan's right. Does this mean that Iran has found a dimensional portal and is giving the Sultanate WMD?

Grand Moff Yenchin · Post by **Grand Moff Yenchin** » 2008-05-10 06:38pm

MKSheppard wrote:Shepnukistani intelligence is very concerned over the apparent appearance of Ahmadinajihad to the Sultan's right. Does this mean that Iran has found a dimensional portal and is giving the Sultanate WMD?

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Well if they're worshipping Mecca 5 times a day they might have some insight on this dimension

If the Sultanate had WMDs the other 2 warlords might've been fucked up earlier.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-05-10 08:10pm

Beowulf wrote:
I kid about car batteries but seriously, you gotta store that energy some-where and again, Dutchy, 7 billion dollar GDP. That puts you in the ballpark of of Malta at best, The Bahamas at worst. I'm wondering where the multiple millions of dollars of R&D money is coming from? Do you have fellow MESS backers?

Your question makes no sense. You're talking about power, when you could be talking about energy. To address the real question, it's about 10Wh/kg for current technology. IOW, it's about 36kJ/kg. Comes out to about 2500 tons of energy storage. However, the supercapacitor field is advancing rapidly, with claims of 200-300 Wh/kg in near future. The current driver for this technology is electric cars, BTW.[/quote]
Excuse me for not being clear enough about that energy vs power. This is not my field so I must double-check myself to be sure I'm talking about it in the correct terminology.

It should be noted that the Navy has special constraints on an operational model, such as it having to actually fit on a ship. No such constraint exists for this.

My point is not in the physical storage dimentions but the fact that your talking about possibly billions in R&D over a dozen years to fix challenges like the storage issue, problems like preventing the first time you switched it to even half power, any imperfect grounding causing the whole thing to melt down. Issues such as designing a building big enough to hold 2500 tons of batteries. For fuck sake, were that an iron block your talking about Three point five kilometers of iron[/i]. (Assuming my math is right, 480 pounds per Square Foot of Iron, 5,511,556 lbs in 2500 tons, 480 into that gets you 11482 feet worth. And you can divide feet in any length measurement. And that's in a strait line. Not in a cube or any other shape.

My point is, there's a reason why no such guns exist in the real world, they make no fucking sense, is that breaking through yet?

(FYI:How big is my example cube? I can't remember the formula to take a 3.5 kilometer line and make it into a cube and get those dimensions)

And that's assuming of course we are storing the energy in it's pure form, rather than locked up in a battery with all the needed parts and components. Connectivity and the like. You can reduce that by making bigger batteries rather than smaller one. But you can't make them that big without having to design new batteries(More R&D Cost) and the manufacturing process to make those giant batteries.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-05-10 10:50pm

Say was a diameter of the SDN world ever set? Same as earth right with a giant ocean?

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2008-05-10 11:00pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Say was a diameter of the SDN world ever set? Same as earth right with a giant ocean?

Correct, the world is 94% open ocean at this point, if you cruise off the side of the map there's nothing but open ocean and possible megafauna attacks to get to the other side.

As I said before, imagine a world map with just Africa showing, and all other land-masses but the icy pols removed.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-05-10 11:42pm

Saddamistan has every type and variant of chemical and bio weapon delivery system you can think of

Wonderful. We would need intelligence operations, anyway.

It would be very foolish to go to war over such a thing

Maybe, but if we don't, that would mean all our international papers are bullshit, which can be broken by any rogue nation at will.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-05-11 12:39am

Where can I get these S-300 or S-400 batteries? They're not part of the 'Beard program, are they?

EDIT:

And can we please stop posting format-breaking pictures?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-05-11 01:19am

I agree. Deathdealer's huuuuge MSPaint line drawing was bad enough; now we have zor posting huge F-22s?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-05-11 01:27am

Stas Bush wrote: Maybe, but if we don't, that would mean all our international papers are bullshit, which can be broken by any rogue nation at will.

They are bullshit. No framework actually exists which can force a sovereign nation to be bound to anything, except raw armed force. International law is all about treaties which have been signed and ratified by all the participants, and even then you can still chose to leave. See Japan walking out of the League of Nations. Saddamistan has never signed anything which would limit its weapons options.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-05-11 01:27am

Sea Skimmer wrote:Saddamistan has every type and variant of chemical and bio weapon delivery system you can think of.

That brings up a question, how do I go about acquiring chemical weapons? Do I just say I have them, or do I need to start production in game?

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-11 01:32am

BTW yes, I believe I have just committed an act of Cassus Belli in protest form. or basically knowing how protective and belligerant someone is of their skies, sent a very large amount of aluminium skinned toys floating his way, since someone stated that the winds on this world go east to west, it was pretty cute physics. not to mention the image of the radar blip that many balloons and kites are going to cause.

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2008-05-11 01:32am

Adrian Laguna wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:Saddamistan has every type and variant of chemical and bio weapon delivery system you can think of.
That brings up a question, how do I go about acquiring chemical weapons? Do I just say I have them, or do I need to start production in game?

It depends on the Gas, Chlorine Gas can aparently be made from the waste products of Dye factories. More advanced stuff i don't know about.

Zor

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-05-11 01:34am

Zor, resize that HUEG F-22 image, maaang.

Imageshack has a resize function in its image-hosting thing. Mang.

Same goes for you, DEATHDEALER!

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-05-11 01:38am

So, I just counted, and realized that there are 6 MESS Carrier Groups off the the coast of Terra Libertia(or will be shortly).

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-05-11 01:41am

Incredible. The Bears do their fucked up electronic warfare thing and the Saddamistanis pop their periscopes and see a lot of MESS, OMSK and FUN ships on their coasts. What do you think will be their reaction?

Goddamn. We're fucked.

Adrian Laguna · Post by **Adrian Laguna** » 2008-05-11 01:42am

Lonestar wrote:So, I just counted, and realized that there are 6 MESS Carrier Groups off the the coast of Terra Libertia(or will be shortly).

As a member of the MESS, my ports and naval bases are, of course, open to the ships of these tasks forces to refuel and resupply. Also, the sailors are welcome to blow their paychecks on Adrianpolis' restaurants, stores, whorehouses, and other attractions.

Lonestar · Post by **Lonestar** » 2008-05-11 01:44am

Staging rights for aircraft? I'd like to put some Global Hawks, P-8s, and MQ-9s up.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-05-11 01:44am

hours later Bear Republic airships began unloading the largest shipment of toy aircraft this world or the original had ever seen. Hundreds of thousands of radar reflecting balloons exited the airships over neutral waters followed by hundreds of thousands radar reflective kites. Each one of them carrying a single piece of Coal, or a bundle of switches.

This method will not work to confuse modern air defense radars. Since balloons and kites are blown by the wind they would travel very slowly, so slowly that they can simply be filtered out by computers as not being aircraft

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-11 01:47am

worse my offensive only cost about 2-5 million to do....

I mean the hardest part was probably finding a shipment of coal for that.

Basically balloons and kites are made of aluminum, plastic, and plastic to hold the whole damn thing together, holding a single piece of coal and a small battery powered motor, to keep it flying for a short while the majority of this being handled by the jetstream which runs counter to our own earth's. Yes these are litterially the sort of toys that would retail for a couple of bucks each.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2008-05-11 01:47am

Thank god for that. I'd hate to have our first-ever World War started by some Goddamn Balloons.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2008-05-11 01:49am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
hours later Bear Republic airships began unloading the largest shipment of toy aircraft this world or the original had ever seen. Hundreds of thousands of radar reflecting balloons exited the airships over neutral waters followed by hundreds of thousands radar reflective kites. Each one of them carrying a single piece of Coal, or a bundle of switches.

This method will not work to confuse modern air defense radars. Since balloons and kites are blown by the wind they would travel very slowly, so slowly that they can simply be filtered out by computers as not being aircraft

Well then naughty boy enjoy the coal and the kites