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frigidmagi wrote:

No target analysis computers, etc.

Why would you do that? It's already been estblished that the UP's missles have targeting computers, hell it's something we can do in the 21st century to a degree, why not keep the computers just keep in mind that they are not 100% foolproof and that ECM warfare can spoof them if there's enough of it.

I meant no 'target weakness analyzer' shit. The basic stuff would still be there, of course.

Rogue 9 wrote:What's preferable is you not killing off entire governments for free. My action was ridiculous, but no more so than yours, and I expect both will receive the same mod ruling. I think my point is made. Now either rescind your actions or be a good little assassin and stay dead.

So am I supposed to go around duking it out in space battles with a frigate?

No. You're supposed to not just be able to singlehandedly throw the galaxy into chaos like you apparently can right now by destroying every government in the game with the exception of the Gladsheim.

Beowulf wrote:It's a power source that turns matter into energy. It was used as warheads for the OU military. Which, BTW was in the original STGOD that this STGOD is a continuation of.

The DC bomb thing I did when I did it in the STGOD 2 was silly because it had... *thinks*... petaton yield? This is a size currently used for strategic nuclear weapons, and has about 3 times the destructive potential of the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. (destructive power is proportional to the cube root of the yield)

If he thought about what I was bringing in, and read through the last STGOD, he would know what powered all the OU's military, and figured out that letting someone in with a power core with more than a milli gram of fuel in was idiocy. There was a reason why I specified where the manufacturor

Ammonium Nitrate and Fuel oil are completely innoucous seperately. Together, they're a rather powerful explosive. Of course it was innocous. Bringing in obvious really really big explosives wouldn't have worked so well at getting past Customs. Which I told Aly I was going to be complying with.

Which is more preferable? Me actually going around bringing in stuff to blow up, or me blowing stuff up telekinetically? I don't even have to do anything for the second except show up.

(Sorry, I was off at lunch)

Don't go dredging up the past. In this stgod we are limited by the DS9 tech limit. In ds9 there was no magical device that could convert matter into engery. What is to argue? That's a clear breach of the tech level.

Beowulf wrote:It's a power source that turns matter into energy. It was used as warheads for the OU military. Which, BTW was in the original STGOD that this STGOD is a continuation of.

Just because something was allowable in STGOD 1 does not necessarily mean it's allowable here. We had Dreadnoughts in STGOD 1 with interdictors, yet none are found here, because such a tactic was lame and cheesy.

The DC bomb thing I did when I did it in the STGOD 2 was silly because it had... *thinks*... petaton yield? This is a size currently used for strategic nuclear weapons, and has about 3 times the destructive potential of the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. (destructive power is proportional to the cube root of the yield)

No, it was silly because there was no real way to counter it, in addition to the ridiculous yield you tried to assign to it.

If he thought about what I was bringing in, and read through the last STGOD, he would know what powered all the OU's military, and figured out that letting someone in with a power core with more than a milli gram of fuel in was idiocy. There was a reason why I specified where the manufacturor

This again brings up my point of having to know out-of-character information in order to stop you. If this was used as a warhead by a known space power, there's no way it should have slipped past a modern customs scan.

Ammonium Nitrate and Fuel oil are completely innoucous seperately. Together, they're a rather powerful explosive. Of course it was innocous. Bringing in obvious really really big explosives wouldn't have worked so well at getting past Customs. Which I told Aly I was going to be complying with.

Apples to Oranges. A capital scale missile warhead is not an innocuous material.

Which is more preferable? Me actually going around bringing in stuff to blow up, or me blowing stuff up telekinetically? I don't even have to do anything for the second except show up.

Wow. I can't believe you actually wrote that. You honestly think that because something is not as lame as something else, it's acceptable? If you started walking around blowing up things with your frigate-firepower mind, I think the backlash would be worse than it is now.

I completely support the mod ruling on FTL missiles. It's a good compromise, but I'd ask that the switch from antimissile-antiship mode takes time, and isn't a flick of a switch. a "reset" time of 30 seconds to a minute would be preferred.

Of course, having multiple generators on different bands is legitimate.

Rogue 9 wrote:No. You're supposed to not just be able to singlehandedly throw the galaxy into chaos like you apparently can right now by destroying every government in the game with the exception of the Gladsheim.

Governments will survive. Their leaders may not. And Hotfoot is perfectly capable of surviving, and the Veithans probably have a good handle on how to stop me from doing much damage.

Oni is an assassin. Throwing chaos into the game is his middle name. This has been a cornerstone of how I've been planning to play. Repeat after me: Assassin. There's really only one possible way to play that character, and that's by killing off important people.

I'd like to point out that stopping Beowulf's little trick is simple- have halfway decent customs inspections, something the Dracs simply do not have.

Bullshit.

Beowulf wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:No. You're supposed to not just be able to singlehandedly throw the galaxy into chaos like you apparently can right now by destroying every government in the game with the exception of the Gladsheim.

Governments will survive. Their leaders may not. And Hotfoot is perfectly capable of surviving, and the Veithans probably have a good handle on how to stop me from doing much damage.

Oni is an assassin. Throwing chaos into the game is his middle name. This has been a cornerstone of how I've been planning to play. Repeat after me: Assassin. There's really only one possible way to play that character, and that's by killing off important people.

Assassins kill one target ina discrete manner, you killed MILLIONS

Oh, wait, was this the matter/energy conversion bomb shit he pulled on Desjardins? The device tech is so lod in this STGOD, it's components would be detected by any detailed customs scan. If one was actually used on Oni, and he didn't declare it then, I'll certainly support his shit being removed from the game thread.

Yes, it was. Thank you.

Thirdfain wrote:I'd like to point out that stopping Beowulf's little trick is simple- have halfway decent customs inspections, something the Dracs simply do not have.

I went through as many details as I could. Do you honestly expect me to dig through hundreds of mages of old STGOD because he mentioned the OU. An innocious bike, no. That is bullshit.

It is his responsible to let me know when I inspect something with fucking sensors, whether or not he has something dangerous.

Let me say something about assassinations. I've commited the majority of assassinations and covert ops this game, and been astonishingly effective. How? I'm not being an asshole. Most of my ops included co-operation with other players for story purposes, and the others exploited glaring weaknesses in my opponent's defenses or policy.

Don't be like this. Killing someone's leadership out of the bllue, when he's taken decent precautions against it, is totally illegitimate.

Oh, and the bike's MAtter/Energy power converter would have been detected, and would have been a red flag.

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, and the bike's MAtter/Energy power converter would have been detected, and would have been a red flag.

He also autoed my customs officer and sped him through the checkpoint...

even if this does fly however, he doesnt get one government officer.

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, wait, was this the matter/energy conversion bomb shit he pulled on Desjardins? The device tech is so lod in this STGOD, it's components would be detected by any detailed customs scan. If one was actually used on Oni, and he didn't declare it then, I'll certainly support his shit being removed from the game thread.

See the OOC post I made on what I was bringing. I explicitly said what I had brought.

Me wrote:Illudium Q-36 - An air bike, in the style of the cruiser motorcycles of the late 20th century/early 21st. Design was by the famed Illudium Aeromotive, based in the OU. Highly customizable by their owners, modifications of the basic bike have included everything from a miniture kitchen, to full enclosed cockpits allowing limited space travel, to shield generators and small arms mounts. One of the more common modifications, due to it eventually being offered as a factory option, was the addition of the Everlast battery. Replacing the standard power crystal, it was billed as lasting the life of the bike, or free replacement. In essence it was a DC core wrapped around a .5 kg fuel rod.

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I posted the above within minutes of my posting of going through Draconis Customs. He could have caught it 2 weeks ago.

ANd you autoed my customs officer, so he couldt arrest you, and you werent exactly forthcoming with the capabilities of a DC converter. That whole year between its last use, and hundreds of pages of posts... thing

Alyrium Denryle wrote:

Thirdfain wrote:Oh, and the bike's MAtter/Energy power converter would have been detected, and would have been a red flag.

He also autoed my customs officer and sped him through the checkpoint...

even if this does fly however, he doesnt get one government officer.

I autoed a customs officer. Presumably they'd have been someone else actually checking out what I brought, not just the person I talked to. Especially considering what I brought would have been cargo, not brought through customs with me.

That's still pretty fucking ridiculous. A tiny power source that's also a nuclear bomb? Hells, no. Outside of the techlevel.

I call foul, and I don't even like the Dracs.

Let's say that at worst, it went off like a big chemical bomb. and a dozen Senators were killed and the building facade was demolished- and that's if Pablo doesn't kill it totally.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:ANd you autoed my customs officer, so he couldt arrest you, and you werent exactly forthcoming with the capabilities of a DC converter. That whole year between its last use, and hundreds of pages of posts... thing

And the "Lasts the lifetime of the bike" wasn't a huge tip-off that it could give alot of power?

Beowulf wrote:

Alyrium Denryle wrote:ANd you autoed my customs officer, so he couldt arrest you, and you werent exactly forthcoming with the capabilities of a DC converter. That whole year between its last use, and hundreds of pages of posts... thing

And the "Lasts the lifetime of the bike" wasn't a huge tip-off that it could give alot of power?

"Lasts the lifetime of the bike" simply means an efficient, long lasting power source. The power units on our modern satellites easily outlast the other components, but that doesn't mean they can create Nuclear Explosions (no matter what the woo-woo's said about the satellite we dumped into Jupiter).

Beowulf wrote:

Alyrium Denryle wrote:ANd you autoed my customs officer, so he couldt arrest you, and you werent exactly forthcoming with the capabilities of a DC converter. That whole year between its last use, and hundreds of pages of posts... thing

And the "Lasts the lifetime of the bike" wasn't a huge tip-off that it could give alot of power?

No. Rechargable batteries can last the lifetime of a bike. I would expect a great number of things at our tech level can do that, AND THEY DONT EXPLODE IN A MULTI KILOTON FIREBALL

Beowulf wrote:Illudium Q-36 - An air bike, in the style of the cruiser motorcycles of the late 20th century/early 21st. Design was by the famed Illudium Aeromotive, based in the OU. Highly customizable by their owners, modifications of the basic bike have included everything from a miniture kitchen, to full enclosed cockpits allowing limited space travel, to shield generators and small arms mounts. One of the more common modifications, due to it eventually being offered as a factory option, was the addition of the Everlast battery. Replacing the standard power crystal, it was billed as lasting the life of the bike, or free replacement. In essence it was a DC core wrapped around a .5 kg fuel rod.

We don't always notice things, fact is this. That thing was made in the era of this STGOD. Anything created in this STGOD must remain within the rough boundries of the DS9 limit. The *only* way you can do that sort of thing is with anti-matter. And our tech level isn't such that you can cart arnound that much anti-matter; it requires huge high energy storage containers. And I'm sure as hell no one would let you on their world with a bike that was powered by an anti-matter cell; even if you did have some magical way of storing it in a small space.

Beowulf wrote:A 400kT nuke isn't any larger than what could conceivably fit onto a bike. Ever see a picture of an ICBM warhead? The DC bomb is non-nuclear, and so there isn't any nasty alpha, beta or neutron radiaton to worry about.

With the tech level there are probably, I don't know, 400kt pinch-field fusion bombs that can fit into a suitcase. The catch is that a proper customs inspection would nail you pretty easily. A M/AM bomb is another possibility--but again, antimatter is a bitch to transport and would be spotted.

What should have happened was Draconis customs confiscating the flycycle the moment it was declared at customs, because a total-conversion reactor is the most dangerous bomb possible, regardless of how innocuous the use.

The DC bomb does require rather easily identifable electronics. It ain't hard to find when you know what to look for. Anybody who knew about the OU in it's heyday, before it fell, should be familiar with what they used, and could find it.

I'm not really sure what to do about this. I don't support this rampant use of DC power cores, because I won't have people placing invisible terrorist death bombs in capital cities. It's total bullshit, which you seem to have a bizarre liking for despite being smacked down previously. You should try something less wankerish or at least set a more modest goal for your character than blowing up millions of people.

The method for deciding major plot points like this, Beowulf, is that you PM your target player and tell him that you're going to perform a certain action. You come up with a proposal on how you're going to do it, and you ask for his approval. Maybe he accepts it, maybe he says no and tells you why. At which point you compromise. If somebody decides to be a dick and refuses any negotiation, you bring it to Marcao or me and ask for a ruling. In the words of Michael Corleone, if history has taught us anything, it's that you can kill anyone.

If you're dead set on blowing shit up on Varathrax, you should hash it out with Alyrium instead of springing it on him.

Thoughts on how to handle this, Marcao? I'm thinking we delete the mad bomber post and the two parties can try to think of a more fair method.