Mange wrote:Master of Ossus wrote:Nice of them to lock the thread as soon as virtually indisputable evidence appeared of KT's idiocy (NEGtD).
Isn't the "Guide to the Grand Army" thread still open?
Indeed, and I'm bumping it with the following information
The New Essential Guide to Droids is written in universe, but it is post NJO and reveals a number of Lord Sidious' secrets, indicating that by this time all has been declassified.
NEGtD, Introduction, page 10 wrote:
...during the clone Wars, the Geonosian workers of Baktoid Combat Automata built one of the largest mechanical armies ever seen
Speaks for itself
NEGtD, A Short History of Droids, page 16 wrote:
The Seperatists fielded a military made up almost exclusively of droids. The sheer number and variety of Seperatist war droids was unprecedented in galactic history. Droids dominated water, land, air, and outer space in forms such as the manta droid subfighter, the dwarf spider droid, the HMP droid gunship, and the vulture droid starfighter.
That the army was almost exclusively droids eliminates the idea the conscripts made up most of the fighting forces on both sides.
NEGtD, Major Manufacturers, page 17 wrote:
Of the millions of droid manufacturing plants in the galaxy, the two lagest are Mechis III and Telti, which together produce a sizable percentage of all new automata. Both locations are entire worlds covered with sprawlingconstruction facilities and fully automated assembly lines; any sentient interaction in the fabrication process otehr than the most minimal supervision is unnecessary and counterproductive.
Millions of factories in the galaxy. As in, between 2,000,000 and 999,999,999. That the Confederacy would control a sizable share of them is far more likely then the idea that they had so few that 47 factories serve as a representative sample. That's not even counting the "mechworlds", of which the largest were Mechis III and Telti.
NEGtD, Major Manufacturers - Baktoid Combat Automata, page 17 wrote:
No longer in existance, Baktoid Combat Automata (a sister company to Baktoid Armor Workshop) cranked out innumerable droids for the Trade Federation and the Confederacy of Independent Systems in the decade and a half leading up to the conclusion of the Clone Wars. As a member of the Techno Union, Baktoid had access to the galaxies best equipment, and its factories on Geonosis and hundreds of other worlds could mass-produce battle droids in uncountable numbers.
Baktoid alone had hundreds of factories, to say nothing of the other compaines that made up the Techno Union and other factions. And they were building constantly for 15 years. Finally, terms such as "inumerable" and "uncountable" hardly mesh with "100 million".
NEGtD, Major Manufacturers - Techno Union, page 21 wrote:
Prior to the rise of the Empire, the Tecnho Union was the galaxy's greatest conglomeration of high-tech manufacturers, with members including Baktoid Combat Automata. Headed by foreman Wat Tambor, the Techno Union controlled dozens of "mechworlds," from Foundary to Metalorn, that were dominated by smoke, fire, and machinery. Anakin Skywalker killed Wat Tambor on Mustafar, and Imperial officials nationalized the Techno Union soon after.
The Techno Union had "dozens", as in at least 24, planets covered in factories. That's an insane production capacity. And it doesn't even count the independent factories.
NEGtD, Class Four Droids, page 73 wrote:
Once ubiquitous on worlds belonging to the Confederacy of Independent Systems, battle droids (also called war droids or combat droids) practically disappeared after the rise of the Empire.
They were prolific enough that they were everywhere on the worlds controlled by the Confederacy. As the Commerce Guild alone had millions of worlds (see below), and 100 things on a world is anything but ubiquitous, Odds has a real hard time fitting into continuity.
NEGtD, B2 Super Battle Droid, page 81 wrote:
During the Clone Wars, super battle droids became the face of the Confederacy of Independent Systems on thousands of worlds, from Ando to Vandos.
Again, the Confederacy deployed these things in defense of their worlds so liberally it isn't funny.
NEGtD, B3 Ultra Battle Droid, page 83 wrote:
The new ultra battle droid was huge and expensive, Baktoid entertained no illusions about the droid being deployed in numberless hordes, like the B1 and B2, but the company hoped to add the selectively as heavy hitters to the arsenel of every Seperatist commander
Again supports the notion presented in "Lord of War" that the sheer number of droids available is insane.
NEGtD, Chameleon Droid, page 91 wrote:
The greedy Commerce Guild had its fingers in millions of mining operations across the galaxy, and constantly hungered for new mineral strikes.
We've seen from Bespin and Jabiim that a mining opeation is usually world wide run from a single operations center, not each and every mine. So that's millions of worlds for the Commerce Guidl alone, to say nothing of the other factions and the independents.
NEGtD, Colicoild Annihilator Droid, page 93 wrote:
While assault ships shelled Colla IV's surface with a turbolaser bombardment, four platoons of troopers advanced on the shielded factory. When the clones reached the innermost wall, an annihilator droid rose up and shredded a duracrete barrier with its laser cannons, offering the clones no cover and killing most of the landing force within minutes. The surviving clones retreated.
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"We don't know what it was, sir, but it took out three platoons. We can't let the Colicoids get these things offplanet." -ARC trooper Stec, after a failed strike at Colla IV
4 platoons of ARC troopers deployed as a spec ops mission get killed by a single droid. Testament to the droid, but also raises the issue of how 96 ARCs out of 128 can die if there are only 100 ARCs total. Unless there are more then 100 ARCs total and only 100 of the Alpha series.
NEGtD, Crab Droid, page 87 wrote:At the end of the Clone Wars, the Republic siezed tens of thousands of crab droids from a Techno Union factory on Tar Morden.
This is during the outer rim sieges, so they weren't being deployed elsehwere. And it says they siezed, so they were finished, not half complete. That means that a single factory had 20,000+ of one kind of droid (ignoring all the other kinds of droids that might have been present as well) defending it. And there are millions of factories out there. That's tens of billions of droids only playing defense.
What's real fun is the math. We see in AotC that droids are built at a rate of ~1 per sec. There are 3 lines in a factory. Lets say a factory is 1 square kilometer (a gross overestimate). 24 worlds with Earth sized diameter plus 2 million other factories each with 3 lines producing at that rate for 15 years yields a total of 17.67 quintillion droids. Which (depending on casualties, logistics, and naval crewing requirements) matches the numbers in Lord of War, Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic, and the Revenge of the Sith Incredible Cross Sections.
That's the 'defense' against the NEGTD.
