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Karmic Knight wrote:Also, +5 indeed.

For completeness' sake, obviously everything I said about favorable terms for foreign investment in Coilerburg etc. also goes for my good allies in the FTO. I'd be more than happy to have you guys aboard in the rebuilding of Coilerburg. And you'd probably make good money too.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:If anyone wants Lelouch and his people to visit your country and talk to your own leaders, just say the word, and they'll be there.

I'd be more than happy to show Mr. Lelouch the sights.

RogueIce wrote:

Shroom Man 777 wrote:FASTA should invite Cascadian astronauts.

I don't know about Steve, but I'd not be eager to send astronauts over to FASTA after the Moonbeam Incident. No matter how you spin it, FASTA is getting a black eye from that. Sure Shroompard gets to play the hero, but the fact is one of your astronauts went nuts up there. And since Tian Xia would probably have figured out she was on LSD at the time when they gave her medical treatment, that too has probably leaked. Some how, some way, a FASTA astronaut had drugs during a mission.

That doesn't look good, y'know?

Exactly. Cascadia should partner with the IRT's space program instead.

SiegeTank wrote:For completeness' sake, obviously everything I said about favorable terms for foreign investment in Coilerburg etc. also goes for my good allies in the FTO. I'd be more than happy to have you guys aboard in the rebuilding of Coilerburg. And you'd probably make good money too.

What did you have in mind? I can't think of much off the top of my head besides additional security forces and nuclear reactors, though I'm sure Coilerburg already has some of the latter...

Pezook
What do you think of my suggestion that you have Miratia upgrade your tanks? Alternatively, you could simply buy some new ones for a paltry $ 5.5 million per vehicle. They don't have reactive armour, and they can't fire missiles from the main gun, but I can also sell you bolt-on missile pods that could offer you similar capability.

SiegeTank wrote:Epic Diplomacy +5!

Decided to use a little diplomacy of my own.

SiegeTank wrote:

• Fishing for investments by Canissian and Shinran corporations in Coilerburg.

I think I can work something up to that effect.

SiegeTank wrote:

• We'd like peace keepers but they would only make things worse right now.

Perfectly understandable.

SiegeTank wrote:

• However, an invitation is extended to both nations to send some police officers & "advisors" to help in Coilerburg.

Great! My people will call your people and we'll set it up. Which means I'll let you play with the story post announcement on that one.

SiegeTank wrote:

• Disclosure of why the Warden was where it was (what can I say, that's the reason Coiler gave me).

I agree that discretion is called for in that matter.

SiegeTank wrote:

• Tacit approval of pressuring Shroomania into giving us back our damned submarine ASAP (sorry Shroom, but I told you I was unhappy with the dismantling, and I'm still really annoyed you paraded foreign intel officers through our ultimate strategic weapon).

Just did a little bit of that.

SiegeTank wrote:

• Thanks a bunch, etc.

No problem.

Karmic Knight wrote:

SiegeTank wrote:

• Rogue, we'd be up for joint exercises. 'We' being San Dorado and the Coilerburg navy (under CNFN supervision).

'We', also including the Vineyards.

Sounds good.

SiegeTank wrote:

Karmic Knight wrote:Also, +5 indeed.

For completeness' sake, obviously everything I said about favorable terms for foreign investment in Coilerburg etc. also goes for my good allies in the FTO. I'd be more than happy to have you guys aboard in the rebuilding of Coilerburg. And you'd probably make good money too.

<Buy Colierburg Bonds Image I should have made>

Both the Commonwealth Government, and the Gizmonic Institute are willing to invest in Mr. Bank's endeavours in Coilerburg. Mostly through funding, but we are also willing to export some labour for whatever rebuilding Mr. Bank has in mind.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:If anyone wants Lelouch and his people to visit your country and talk to your own leaders, just say the word, and they'll be there.

Nice, +1 prestige, err, Sure, the Vineyards will be willing to provide publicity for the Duchy.

And Alaska just tests an Autonomous Orbital Docking System.

I'm also up for a stop by Duke Lelouch in Alaska.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Ah, actual diplomacy. Something I've been neglecting for the longest time.

If anyone wants Lelouch and his people to visit your country and talk to your own leaders, just say the word, and they'll be there.

Sure.

Go ahead and visit the IRT.

MariusRoi wrote:And Alaska just tests an Autonomous Orbital Docking System.

Alas, they don't grasp the proper functioning of BBCode URL tags. 'Tis a shame, really.

RP thread post is for the lulz. React if you like, Stas, but please don't nuke me.

PeZook wrote:

Beowulf wrote:What do you mean, haven't even made their way to the drawing boards? The MSA Ares could lift something that size with mass to spare...

With another 125 tonnes to spare?

Yes. The Ares we are launching will NOT be the Ares V configuration...sorry I haven't posted nearly as much about it other than the most recent post which noted that the MSA launch systems will look like this:

Delta II 7925-H (max of 7 MT to LEO, 3.25 MT to GTO)
Delta IV 4760-H (max of 100MT to LEO, 50MT to GTO)
Jupiter 234 (max of 190MT to LEO, 90MT to TLI)
Ares VI (max of 275 MT to LEO, 130MT to TLI/TMI)

Part of the bonus is from the lower DeltaV requirements the other is that the Ares variant we are building uses 4 of the 5.5 segment SRBs and 6 RS-800s on the 1st stage. For the Ares VI this equates to roughly 18,800,000 lb*ft of thrust during peak burn. Anyway yes the Ares VI would be able to get two 125 MT payloads into orbit.

Hey Shroom, what say your pirates and my cultists take to the seas to gain riches and glory somehow?

React if you like, Stas, but please don't nuke me.

Why should we nuke you? Bad manners aren't a casus belli

Stas Bush wrote:

React if you like, Stas, but please don't nuke me.

Why should we nuke you? Bad manners aren't a casus belli

Well they are in the former Islamic Republic of Shepistan

That makes it easier to kill them. But then, it's not like the CSR cares... until one or several of our men gets in jeopardy. Then, all bets are off.

Tonkinese common-law system, eh?

Is Roman Law based on precedent? I don't recall it. Most of the Old COntinent would be following Roman Law.

EDIT: To be more precise, it would be Codex Justinian or later.

Total aside but I know I specifically requested that we accept as fiat for the game that any treaty or international obligation signed before WWII in the real world applies to this world. So far as I'm concerned this would include any salvage precedent from that period or even the concept of precedent within international maritime law.

Yes, but not everyone follows precedental law. Precedents like maritime incidents are especially hard - do you see that in real life that people "evaluate" maritime incidents and border violations based on previous incidents? Uhh... nop

You people suck. Coiler was aiming to NUKE Shroomania to end his game and leave "graciously" and you people whine about how its bad precedent for Shroomania to impound a nuclear submarine armed with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles with nuclear warheads of atomic death and go tooling about with its component parts?

Get away with things? Coilerburg did the fuckup here, and that fuckup saw the collapse of their nation (again). You can understand why we're WARY of returning a nuclear-armed nuclear submarine armed with nukes back to a nation whose stability is tenuous at best.

I don't know about you gents, but I'm pretty spooked and pissed off at the notion of nuke-subs in my waters. But I don't know, in Game 1 Shinra had its navy nuked in the eyes by Shepistan, so you might have a higher tolerance for this.

Frickin' anti-Shroomites.

But fuck that, you people can have your goddamn submarine. We're DONE with it anyway.

You don't return a nuclear submarine with armaments to a failed state after you find that submarine in your territorial waters through some 'freak accident'

Oh, and I hope you removed the nuclear warheads, right Shroom? Because a collapsed nation has no business in handling nuclear weapons.

We'll be handing them to San Dorado. They're not a failed state, at least not in a non-communist definition.

I'd like to see public statements backing the Sovereignty up! Fuck those anti-Shroomites! Come on, everyone's favorite friendly nation came on the verge of nuclear attack, and now we've got Cascadia and those anti-Shroomite Shinrans ganging on us for doing what's reasonable? BAH!

RogueIce wrote:Reposting from Story Thread:

• General Information: President Shinra orders mission to get pictures of the SSGN Warden being dismantled in Shroomanian docks. If successful, pictures will be "leaked" (through supposed Shroomanian sources, not Shinra) to the press. He is also planning how to make sure the point gets across that this is not a good idea should such an incident occur in the future. Because President Shinra doesn't like it any more than President Garrett did.

We'll return the SSGN intact to the San Doradoans. The fact that I'm willing to do that despite having that submarine come and try to murder me means that it's best not to do any public humiliations of the Shroomanian government that's willing to return the SSGN intact to the San Doradoans despite having that submarine come and try to murder me.

You should plan how to make sure the point gets across that nuclear-armed submarines sneaking into Shroomania, and other nations', is not a good idea should a (nuclear) incident occur in the future. Because I'm sure President Shinra wouldn't like it any more than President Garret.

Unless you're a bunch of anti-Shroomites like Shadow Hitler, a.k.a. Shitler, who'd find "violations" to "precedents" more alarming than the fact that some Coilerburgian nutfuck was considering starting a nuclear war and was positioning strategic assets to do just that.

The Coilers placed a submarine with a full compliment of nuclear weapons in Shroomanian waters. As happy-go-lucky as I usually am, you can understand why I'm not putting on my Happy Face. You'll get your sub back in one functional piece.

Fingolfin's telling me to do nasty things to that submarine. But the worst I'm willing to do is to send the Warden home with its torpedo tubes chock full of homosexual pornography. It's an act of generosity.



The fact that to Shroomania, the Cascadians and Shinrans are more worried about returning the Coilers sub than the fact that the Coilers were about to kill the fuck out of us, says a lot. And not about us, or the Coilers.

So Shroom, you repaired the sub for free?

Hrm... fuck.

Well, I don't know. We could say that the external damage wasn't caught in that picture. We only photographed the good side.

Whatever. The submarine wasn't too damaged anyhow, or something.

And if we did repair the sub, we can bill the FTO for it.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hrm... fuck.

Well, I don't know. We could say that the external damage wasn't caught in that picture. We only photographed the good side.

Whatever. The submarine wasn't too damaged anyhow, or something.

And if we did repair the sub, we can bill the FTO for it.

The sub did whack another sub and then pulped the front. I would say by the laws of action reaction, you can either repair the damn thing (which will easily cost hundreds of millions) or ship it back on a heavy lift ship.