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Howedar wrote:

Patrick Degan wrote:

The stats don't support any such claim? How many rushing yards did LSU have in the first half?

So, let's just ignore the overall game performance and the season up to this point and focus on one atypical quarter as proof of your assertion, I suppose.

Riddle me this, Batman, which is more likely: that Tulane's line is made of supermen, that LSU's line literally fell asleep, or that LSU's line is not shit-hot?

Your lack of differentiation between quarters and halves of play notwithstanding.

You're cute when you're trying to be clever. Too bad the season statistics don't back your argument. I know this doesn't suit you, but the numbers don't lie, no matter how much you shout and stamp your little feet in protest. What we saw in the Superdome was a fluke and not characteristic of how their offensive line has performed through the season so far.

Oh, and BTW, the only time in that game that LSU was in any real trouble was during that five-minute stretch in the second quarter when Tulane got the safety and then came back on the free kick for the touchdown. Quarter, Howedar —not half.

This game, of course. A win is a win. Still, any D-line coach in the Southeast is licking his chops.

Oh, puhLEEZE! You really imagine one atypical quarter out of a five-week season to date is really going to spell the key to destroying LSU?

Argument from incredulity.

No, a legitimate question which your attempt to simply make up a fallacy name from thin air does not disguise your dodge of an answer.

Here's a clue: any team any given week can be beaten and any coach worth his salt knows it. Les Miles knows it as much as any of his remaining opposition know it, and he's certainly not going to ignore the lesson of the Tulane game with an upcoming schedule front-loaded with real opposition.

Thanks, I wasn't aware that coaches were aware of what goes on with their teams

The way you've been carrying on in this thread causes one to seriously question your grasp of such a basic fact, along with a few others.

Are you saying that it's a good sign that Tulane beat up LSU in the trenches for thirty minutes (again, not fifteen)?

Tulane did not "beat up" LSU for thirty minutes. Did you even watch the game we're discussing here?

Apparently you didn't read my post. That's what happens when a small-conference school has a few good guys but plays against a team with much more depth.

I did read your post. The whole thing still comes down to you asserting that one atypical quarter points the key to LSU's destruction.

Half, for God's sakes. Half.

No, quarter —the only time LSU was in real trouble was in the middle of the second quarter during which they got stuffed back for the safety. Again, did you even watch the fucking game?

You can't have it both ways. You can't shout "weak-ass line" while acknowledging LSU's depth only as a convenient prop for the "small-conference team" dodge when you need to handwave away Miles and the Tigers adjusting their game and how that line did give ample protection to both quarterbacks in the second half.

Wow, that ran on a little, didn't it?

Wow, that was a lame little dodge, wasn't it? Starting to become your trademark in this increasingly silly discussion.

I think that you just said that:
You can't say that LSU's line was terrible, because they played well in the second half. You can't blame it on LSU's superior depth, because [I'm not sure why you think this].

No, that's you just strawmandering me. Your argument deterioriates along predictable lines.

Why can't I say that, Degan? Why is LSU's superior depth wrt Tulane not a reasonable explanation? Of course coaching adjustments can be made. Are you saying that the depth doesn't matter? Was it all coaching? Had the LSU men forgotten to lift their hands and push against the Tulane line?

Excuse me, but just where do I say "depth doesn't matter?"

I'm not claiming that coaching had nothing to do with the improvement, and I hope I didn't give that impression. All I'm saying is that LSU's offensive line had damn well better play better in the next few weeks than they did against Tulane, or they're going to have pieces of Flynn and Perriloux all over the backfield.

That sort of goes without saying.

Look, nobody is going to be pouring over the Tulane game as proof of anything other than what it was, a fluke (and one which didn't result in any real consequences). Nobody is going to be counting on finding themselves on a field with an unfocussed LSU team at any point in a game the rest of this season. The game coaches are going to be studying (particularly at Florida and Alabama) for clues to stopping LSU will be the one with South Carolina. The Gamecocks are the only team so far this season which has managed to score two touchdowns against the number one rated defence in the country and the only team LSU didn't simply squash on the way to a win.

Don't expect a reply. Enjoy the season Degan, I look forward to seeing which of us is right.

Well.... to get this thread back on track:

It looks like the University of Memphis/Marshall University game tomorrow will be a sad one. I have to wonder how the team will play with this hanging over their head
Link to Article in WV Papers

The Abridged Version:

MEMPHIS, Tenn. - A University of Memphis football player was fatally shot on campus in what was believed to be a targeted attack, and classes were canceled today as a precaution, officials said.
Taylor Bradford, 21, was shot near a university housing complex about 9:45 p.m. Sunday and then got into a car, driving a short distance before it crashed into a tree, officials said.
University officials said the believed the gunman left campus immediately after the shooting. No arrests had been made today.
"We found him with a bullet wound to the body and the ambulance took him to the hospital where he was pronounced (dead)," said Roger Prewitt, a Memphis Police inspector.

...

The Memphis Tigers host Marshall University's Thundering Herd Tuesday night. A moment of silence was planned before the game.

Howedar wrote:Don't expect a reply. Enjoy the season Degan, I look forward to seeing which of us is right.

Well, we shall see.

I will offer this to you: LSU cannot afford to go into another game as unfocussed as they were against Tulane. Especially not against Florida, who I judge to be the most dangerous team they will face this year now. Why? The motivation factor. Florida will need to get back into the top 5 after taking that loss against Auburn and the best way of doing that is to knock down LSU, and they've got the talent to do it. Which means LSU has about no margin for error this coming Saturday. On that I think we can agree.

Patrick Degan wrote:

Howedar wrote:Don't expect a reply. Enjoy the season Degan, I look forward to seeing which of us is right.

Well, we shall see.

I will offer this to you: LSU cannot afford to go into another game as unfocussed as they were against Tulane. Especially not against Florida, who I judge to be the most dangerous team they will face this year now. Why? The motivation factor. Florida will need to get back into the top 5 after taking that loss against Auburn and the best way of doing that is to knock down LSU, and they've got the talent to do it. Which means LSU has about no margin for error this coming Saturday. On that I think we can agree.

Most definitely, Patrick. I was displeased with LSU's performance in the first half, and they need not do that kind of bullfuckery at ANY point in the Florida game. The Gators are a dangerous threat, and there's still the mattor of the Victory Disease to attend to. Florida will likely bring their all-out deuces-wild smashmouth game, so the Tigers better be prepared to take the licking, hold the line, and skin dem Gators so we'll have nice shoes and purses to go with our Number 1 spot in the polls!

So I toss this out, for all of you far more serious about college football than I.

A couple days or so ago, this sportswriter in one of the local paper (can't remember which of the two it was) said that the USF Bulls had a chance (not a huge one maybe, but still a chance) of going undefeated this season. This is mainly because we're not being a real slouch of a team, and (I think this was more important in his article) WVU was the toughest team we would face this season.

Do any of you who follow college football better than I have any opinions on this? Is it possible, even if only a little? Or totally unrealistic?

RogueIce wrote:Do any of you who follow college football better than I have any opinions on this? Is it possible, even if only a little? Or totally unrealistic?

Possible, but I wouldn't bet on it. This season, after all, has been littered with upsets. Plus, there are still some difficult opponents coming up - and Groethe could always be injured.

RogueIce wrote: Do any of you who follow college football better than I have any opinions on this? Is it possible, even if only a little? Or totally unrealistic?

Short version:

Realistic but don't bet more than five bucks on it, even that might be too much.

Long Version:

It is very possible for USF to run the table. With West Virginia out of the way, Louisville having a dismal year due to a horrible defense, the last major hurdle for the Bulls is Rutgers. Rutgers demonstrated against Maryland that they have plenty of flaws and can be beaten. However there are a few games the Bulls could be upset in if they are not careful. They still have to play UCF and Cincinnati at home and Pittsburgh on the road. Any one of those games could be an upset, UCF nearly beat Texas two weeks ago Cincy is ranked, and Pittsburgh has this kid LeSean McCoy who is an absolutely fantastic Freshman Running Back capable of putting up a lot of yards if he gets help from the rest of his teammates.

Darth Fanboy wrote:

RogueIce wrote: Do any of you who follow college football better than I have any opinions on this? Is it possible, even if only a little? Or totally unrealistic?

Short version:

Realistic but don't bet more than five bucks on it, even that might be too much.

Long Version:

It is very possible for USF to run the table. With West Virginia out of the way, Louisville having a dismal year due to a horrible defense, the last major hurdle for the Bulls is Rutgers. Rutgers demonstrated against Maryland that they have plenty of flaws and can be beaten. However there are a few games the Bulls could be upset in if they are not careful. They still have to play UCF and Cincinnati at home and Pittsburgh on the road. Any one of those games could be an upset, UCF nearly beat Texas two weeks ago Cincy is ranked, and Pittsburgh has this kid LeSean McCoy who is an absolutely fantastic Freshman Running Back capable of putting up a lot of yards if he gets help from the rest of his teammates.

To add to that, if they make bowl season they'll more than likely be up against another conference champion, usually a team that can play both offense and defense, something that the Big East is pretty unfamiliar with. So in all likelyhood they won't do to well there, and won't end up undefeated.

Block wrote: To add to that, if they make bowl season they'll more than likely be up against another conference champion, usually a team that can play both offense and defense, something that the Big East is pretty unfamiliar with. So in all likelyhood they won't do to well there, and won't end up undefeated.

Great point, but I think the speculation on them being undefeated mostly focuses on whether or not USF would get enough BCS love to play for the title if they are only one or two teams left without a loss. Especially if they climb in the rankings. If they go unbeaten during the regular season, they almost have to climb in the rankings as at least one if not two of the teams in fornt of them have to lose by virtue of playing other teams in the top ten.

Looks like the Tigers held themselves together, despite the loss of one of their own. Memphis 24, Marshall 21.

I think my AlmaMater should just give up right now, they're not going to get any better this season.

Marshall made an incredibly ballsy move when they advance to I-A a few years ago and they were hable to do it because of Chad PEnnington and Randy Moss building some good seasons, but it seems the recruitment just isn't there like it was a few years ago.

LadyTevar wrote:Looks like the Tigers held themselves together, despite the loss of one of their own. Memphis 24, Marshall 21.

I think my AlmaMater should just give up right now, they're not going to get any better this season.

What kinda Commie talk is that? Your team is going to win the rest of it's games damn it!!

And did Howedar just leave the board because he had a differing opinion on how a game went and their interpretations of play with Degan and he couldn't convince him he was right? Seriously?

And how the fuck does LSU jump USC in the polls? Washington is a considerably better team than Tulane. USC played shitty against a conference opponent and still won. LSU handled a team that they should have. LSU struggled, for a while, against a team they shouldn't have.

Oh and Cal and USC... oh that is going to be a GOOD FUCKING GAME!!!

havokeff wrote:

LadyTevar wrote:Looks like the Tigers held themselves together, despite the loss of one of their own. Memphis 24, Marshall 21.

I think my AlmaMater should just give up right now, they're not going to get any better this season.

What kinda Commie talk is that? Your team is going to win the rest of it's games damn it!!

Maybe, maybe not. If they lose one more, they can forget getting any post-season games

And USC goes down in spectacular fashion to Stanford. That;s 40-point underdog Stanford! I thought for sure that they would reclaim #1 after LSU needed that comeback to beat Florida, but after that game ended and I changed the channel to ESPNews (I had a short nap for awhile there), I saw the #2 USC upset 24-23 on the bottom of the screen and just said "wow". And perhaps even more surprisingly, Notre Dame defeated UCLA to get their first win of the season. What the hell is happening here?

What a day! Bama pulled off a win, but they're in for a long season. LSU barely survived UF, and the mighty USC went down to .... Stanford?

Tigers win! That was a shootout from Hell, too, just like the Oklahoma game. Gators gave LSU a big fucking fight, but we repelled the bastard invaders!!

And USC losing to Stanford; icing on the fucking cake!! I heard that when Tiger Stadium got the news, the resulting energy release was 115 dB! I wonder if there's anything on the geology department seismometer

Yeesh, USF had a bunch of turnovers again. We won, but surely it shouldn't have been like that.

I'm just happy that the Terps managed to squeak by GTech after, for the thrid time in a row, surrendering every bit of first half momentum. Moreover it means they are still in the hunt for the ACC championship as Tech has given them loads of problems over the years and finally beating them with it seems like half the team injured is not too shabby. Seriously #1 QB, #1 LB, # OLineman all down and out plus Costa who was in for Henderson.

CmdrWilkens wrote:I'm just happy that the Terps managed to squeak by GTech after, for the thrid time in a row, surrendering every bit of first half momentum. Moreover it means they are still in the hunt for the ACC championship as Tech has given them loads of problems over the years and finally beating them with it seems like half the team injured is not too shabby. Seriously #1 QB, #1 LB, # OLineman all down and out plus Costa who was in for Henderson.

The #1 QB being down is a good thing. Turner is much better.

Unlike a lot of other ranked teams, OSU keeps rolling strong. Winning games with authority, just like they are supposed to do. Go Bucs!

After that nasty loss last week, WVU came back with a vengence. WVU 55- Syracuse 14.

I'm just worried about Pat White, he once again was taken off the field in the 3rd quarter. They're saying he's feeling pains in his chest. I'm hoping it's nothing more than some pulled muscles.

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Tigers win! That was a shootout from Hell, too, just like the Oklahoma game. Gators gave LSU a big fucking fight, but we repelled the bastard invaders!!

And USC losing to Stanford; icing on the fucking cake!! I heard that when Tiger Stadium got the news, the resulting energy release was 115 dB! I wonder if there's anything on the geology department seismometer

I was on the edge of my seat those last two minutes in Death Valley. That was Les Miles' win —the man who gambled on every decision and won each one.

That was the biggest challenge LSU was going to face this season, but you know their remaining opposition will be studying that game video close.

Great, great win over Florida, but holy shit LSU has some serious problems playing disciplined football. For five of their the last eight quarters they've been dropping passes, missing tackles, making stupid penalties, and etc. Florida was the big dog on the schedule but there's still some kick ass teams left who are more than capable of bring in the upset.

As long as the beat Alabama.

Patrick Degan wrote:That was the biggest challenge LSU was going to face this season, but you know their remaining opposition will be studying that game video close.

May well face the Gators again in the SECCG. I'd be worried about Auburn too, as they seem to be improving by the week.