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There's a whole character archetype based around characters like Iago.DPDarkPrimus wrote:She misses the entire point about Iago, since he's supposed to be a total bastard that you can't help but like.
I have a really hard time believing that she was *actually* married off to Mal. Given her whole “steal the ship and reap the rewards” plan.
Lost Clown, I don’t really see how the above comment is at all relevant to this discussion. I also find it quite woman-blaming. Saffron is NOT a woman. She is a female character written by a misogynist white man. HE is to blame for his characterisation of women as treacherous, evil, manipulative, two-faced, double-crossing creatures without ethics or morality. Saffron isn’t like any woman I’ve ever met. She is a construction written by a woman-hater.
Interesting that she capitalises 'Black' but doesn't capitalise 'white.'Now, I don’t know about you, but I have never met a Black woman who laughs about slavery. I can’t believe that any woman, Black or white would laugh at an incidence of men trading women.
It doesn't occur to this person that maybe Mal 'defends his position' because he is keen to keep his livelyhood and position as a starship captain, rather than as an 'alpha male.' I expect that if Mal were a female character, she could shout all day in this person's opinion; even though it'd be for exactly the same reason.His transformation is astounding. In one second we see a man who screams at the female members of his crew and violently defends his position as alpha male, the next *pouf* a beautiful, gallant steed, shining white against the grey backdrop of the ship, spouting fine speeches while tossing his mane, nobly defending the Rights of the Fairer Sex. Watch.
Just one question, blogger. Do you know what the Alliance's laws do in such cases? Because I don't, and I've watched the whole series. I'd imagine it's actually quite progressive - but then, they do possibly have slaves, so perhaps they're not as shiny as they look. Never mind that your reasoning would appear to be 'the social consequences of female self defence are terrible, thus no one should reccommend it to any woman.'But just one question, Joss. Do you know what happens to women who defend themselves from violent men? Have you heard of Patreese Johnson, Renata Hill, Terraine Dandridge, Venice Brown, Dixie Shanahan, Yana Ladgari, Mary Winkler, Sherry Mariana, Marva Wallace? (This list is by no means exhaustive.) Women who defend themselves from men who are trying to kill them have their children taken away from them and are locked up. That is the stark reality of what equality means for women who live under male supremacy.
I'm pretty sure Zoe has shot people, for a start. And then there's Buffy... though I suppose vampires might not be male enough; tough luck, the man's a fantasy writer.If you want to show your encouragement and support for women who defend themselves from men, then write a female character that kills a man who is trying to kill her AND GETS AWAY WITH IT.
Becuase Jayne is Mal's slave, to be disposed of and killed at Mal's whim...If Mal did care about the protection of women, he would have spaced Jayne immediately, or at least locked the fucker up.
lolwutIf you want to show your encouragement and support for women who defend themselves from men, then write a female character that kills a man who is trying to kill her AND GETS AWAY WITH IT.
Well, Faith killed a human man and got away with it. And, she... thought he was a vampire jumping her.NecronLord wrote:I'm pretty sure Zoe has shot people, for a start. And then there's Buffy... though I suppose vampires might not be male enough; tough luck, the man's a fantasy writer.
And another, which gives an insight to her apprach to the show:Honestly, I do not want feminism to make women ‘equal to’ men. I don’t want a world where women rape equal to men, where women kill equal to men. Not interested in that future.
Did I read wrong, or did she just admit that she cares about nothing more but feminist commentary in any form of media?Yes and yes. I don’t think anything in the malestream has a hope of creating interesting, radical and feminist social commentary. And really, that is what I look for in a book, movie or tv series.
Oh, I know that. I just felt I had to respond regardless, because otherwise leaving it be would just result in my response gnawing at me on the inside until it drove me nuts.Zixinus wrote:She'll consider your responce another typical example of mysgonists trying to justify themselves.
I justed posted under a pseudonym, heck that's all I post under online anyway (outside of dA and HPCA). Although the 'man' in my response was in point of fact me.Peptuck wrote:Oh, I know that. I just felt I had to respond regardless, because otherwise leaving it be would just result in my response gnawing at me on the inside until it drove me nuts.Zixinus wrote:She'll consider your responce another typical example of mysgonists trying to justify themselves.
Vendetta wrote:Richard Gatling was a pioneer in US national healthcare. On discovering that most soldiers during the American Civil War were dying of disease rather than gunshots, he turned his mind to, rather than providing better sanitary conditions and medical care for troops, creating a machine to make sure they got shot faster.
Well you're just a man so you wouldn't understand why EVERYONE else in the world agrees with her. It's because TRUE feminists (not those wussie "equality" losers) wear jump packs, and carry laser swords, and cut a bloody swath through those damn males while on a righteous crusade to save/empower Womyn throught the universe!!Hawkwings wrote:Looks like responses are being deleted. There's no way that there haven't been some hate-comments yet.
All men are rapists and murderers now? And absolutely no women are?Honestly, I do not want feminism to make women ‘equal to’ men. I don’t want a world where women rape equal to men, where women kill equal to men. Not interested in that future.
+http://allecto.wordpress.co*/to-women/allecto wrote:As a Radical Feminist I am supportive of the women’s liberation movement against pornography, prostitution and BDSM. I am not ‘sex-positive’, I do not believe that sex and rape exist as discrete concepts or acts in this hetero-patriarchal, male-supremacist culture.
Another victim of the manocentric maleocracy!!!Ted C wrote:Here's a revealing statement...
+http://allecto.wordpress.co*/to-women/allecto wrote:As a Radical Feminist I am supportive of the women’s liberation movement against pornography, prostitution and BDSM. I am not ‘sex-positive’, I do not believe that sex and rape exist as discrete concepts or acts in this hetero-patriarchal, male-supremacist culture.
She also says she is 1/4 black, for those who were wondering.
Rule one, buddy, rule one.Darth Onasi wrote:Another victim of the manocentric maleocracy!!!
She's just yanking our chains right? Nobody's that stupid.. right?
Linking without comment...Zixinus wrote:On the note, does anybody know these names?
Have you heard of Patreese Johnson, Renata Hill, Terraine Dandridge, Venice Brown, Dixie Shanahan, Yana Ladgari, Mary Winkler, Sherry Mariana, Marva Wallace?
That's still pretty fucked reasoning though.Anguirus wrote:She fails to recognize a difference between sex and rape in our culture. Therefore, when she calls a Firefly character a rapist she means only that they have sex.
How's that look?Y'know, I'm not even sure what to say. I could point out that you and your friends for some reason adhere to nearly every idiotic negative stereotype of feminists out there (seriously, just sprinkle the phrases "the penis is evil" and "men are walking abortions" throughout, and there's *nothing* an aspiring neo-con pundit would have to do to make you sound like his dumbass "man hating brutal amazons" feminist archetype). I could point out numerous inconsistencies in your interpretation of what happened on screen (not the least of which seems to be that the female characters don't kill male characters and "get away with it"). I could deconstruct your radical "feminist" ideology and assumptions about human behavior (the laughable idea that people who want equality between the sexes, want women to abuse others more, and the unspoken assumption that men are universally craven sexual deviants who are only moments away from snapping and abusing women. Interesting how little that second bit is from the same belief system that forces women to be indoors and fully covered for their own protection).
But I guess it doesn't really matter does it? After all, it isn't like this comment will stay up is it? After all, you can't very well have double-plus ungood speak here can you? Why, that might make you and others question and examine your beliefs, even for a moment, even just to craft a better argument against an interloper; but you can't have that can you?
