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The situation would never have happened if you hadn't attempted such a provocative act, especially after declaring you have nukes. Don't blame the victim. It makes you look like a callous bastard.

As for the amount: $2.5 million. Per person. So $25 million.

Lonestar wrote:Not once has a MESS member made as aggressive maneuvers as you and Shep. Not. Once.

When the MESS members joined the game, one of their first acts was violating Shepnukistan's airspace.

hey shep, so do you get the refrence?

Shroom Man 777 wrote:When the MESS members joined the game, one of their first acts was violating Shepnukistan's airspace.

"Shepnukistani"?

I think you kind of forgot the MESS's first attempt at "getting peacefully along". In the simplest terms, it sounded as this:

Lonestar, Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:20 wrote:The MESS is a peaceful organization dedicated to respecting the sovereignty and security of all nations. That we're going to put another 4 into orbit over the next month, and they will all be in stationary orbits over OMSK and FUNGAL Pact nations is simply a reflection of the interesting geology those countries have.

Beowulf, Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:01 wrote:The government also announced a successful overflight of Shepnukistan with an empty Prometheus launch vehicle. The government predicts it will have it's first satellite up within the month.

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An earthquake was reported yesterday in Izumi province. Government officials refused to comment.

Then we were alarmed and proposed the JSEZ with 1000 mile limits, of course.
JSEZ: Tue Apr 08, 2008 11:55

Now, BEOWULF AND LONESTAR.

YOU infringed on OMSK and FUNGAL airspace. YOU tested nuclear devices in BOTH of your nations.

You procured WMDs, launched spysats, did flyovers (read: airspace violations).

Then you consequently BITCHED:
1) about JSEZ
2) about our nuclear test

Well, sure. The MESS "never" did anything. It's just the mean bad OMSK. I mean, we just devised the JSEZ for bull shit reasons, not to protect our fucking airspace, right? And you didn't really violate it?

I'm awaiting FUNGAL Axis to recall those incidents and condemn the covert, militaristic and secretive nature of Tian Xia and Lonestar.

Unlike other MESS members, those control a good deal of MESS military and space programs and thus are like a Pentagon on the loose. Yet claiming they're "never did anything agressive"

IF YOU HAVEN'T THE MEANS TO GATHER THE INFORMATION, YOU CAN'T FUCKING USE IT.

You have not attempted to undertake an intelligence operations, therefore, you can't know that I'm planning to supply delivery vehicles. You also have no proof that we lifted a spy satellite. Again, because you never undertook intel operations.

Lastly, $25 is an insult.

I'm gonna create the FUNGAL Union of Nations (FUN) for people and countries who does not want in on any of this OMSK-MESS Cold War nuclear arms nonesense. The FUNGAL AXIS has never advocated militarization and we're all about trading and having fun in beaches and homoeroticism and volleyball while oiling ourselves up. So, yeah.

For those who want peace, go FUNGAL!

IF YOU HAVEN'T THE MEANS TO GATHER THE INFORMATION

Who said I did this on any "information" I gathered?

I did that on my suspicions, end of story.

You also have no proof that we lifted a spy satellite.

The information publicly released was enough to get suspicions; and now Lonestar admitted that hid "Deadeye" program was a spy sat one.

Not to mention that SPY SATS or not, but it was VIOLATING FUNGAL and OMSK airspace.

And you actually dared to raise a stink about JSEZ, but one of your first ingame acitons was to launch a bunch of SPY SATS over FUNGAL and OMSK; even if IU we don't know exactly what kind of spy sats they were the suspiciouns are pretty damn strong to act on it.

Lastly, $25 is an insult.

Well so it is then. I severed diplomatic ties with your nation because I dont' believe a word of yours. Or Lonestars for that matter.

Sure, I'm not communicating with you. But you can appeal... or call up a conference. Whatever.

I'm done dealing with Tian Xia and Lonestar.

US$25? Surely that was a clerical error, right? Right?

If anyone needs me, I'll be with the other FUNGAL nations. However, given the fact that I'm also an OMSK member and the fact that I'm positioned directly north of the Red Technocracy, if this situation goes belly-up, I'm expecting a whole lot of shit to go down right next to me...

US$25? Surely that was a clerical error, right? Right?

NO.

I have no citizens or diplomats of mine in Tian Xia as of now, and I presume his diplomats are out of RT, and if not, they will be during the next day.

MKSheppard wrote:The STGOD has gone off since I lit off that nuke

This game is really more of an international conflict simulator and diplomatic conflict simulator than a story telling device; which I find highly cool; we're seeing the exact same lines, stories, etc that were used to such great effect from 1948 to 1991 in @.

Perhaps we could get a study rolling by a university on this?

"The conflict dynamics between a group of strangers"

Stas let me point out that THIS is exactly why there is "over-reaction" to Shep having nukes. If you had them or Bean had them I don't think there would be near this amount of worry because everyone expects you guys to work wihtin the larger co-operative framework. Shep is out to stir the pot and THAT means the default assumption for everyone would be, and should be, that actions he takes are preludes to future agressive actions.

Lets be clear BOTH OMSK and MESS have made minor violations of each other's sovriengty. That being said everything about international relationships is a PR game, especially in this game. Countires join in alliances and chose weapons/commercial systems based on the PR each alliance puts out (and I'm including all of the groups such as ISCA and the old JSEZ). Right now the MESS was able to score a PR victory by harping on open air testing, acting angry doesn't paticularly help your case just as the MESS getting frustrated by the bad PR we received over staging our "annual" exercises to coincide with the Mangka incident didn't help.

As yet another aside I think quite a few of us are trying to RP our nations (thus the reason why my underfunded Army went on strike at the money I dump into having the most powerful Navy afloat) and this means that there will always be groups of citizens who view their nation, much as most US citizens view their own, as being incapable of doing wrong. My citizens who are protesting didn't know about the LSR nuke program and all they knew about was that they suddenly felt threatened by nuclear weapons wielded by Shep. At the same time the part of the article which (and I didn't realzie this at first) got clipped went on to talk about how my government as a whole views Shep as dangerous but has been on a mass arresting spree in efforts to keep your embassy open because my government views the Technocracy and UKB as the best means of containing Shep's wilder notions. Oh yes that and the fact that our position means we would likely receive a good dose of fallout from a LSR/Shepnukistan exchange.

Again I don't discount OMSK's anger, and were I a member right now I'd be pissed, but just as in real life bitching about injustice won't score you points with the judges (who would be the neutral countries). When the whole PR disster loomed over the Mangka incident you notice the MESS went quiet and we just plugged away at building up space and other technology programs (while some members joined the ISCA to help out there). Now a game year later everyone forgets the distatste for the MESS's agressive measures and focuses on Shep airbursting a nuke.

I suggest the Fungal Axis (to become the FUN shortly ) undertakes preparations of civil defense, plan "SHITINFAN SPLATTER".

I know I will at the very least overhaul my civil defence plans and start building fallout shelters.

Shep is out to stir the pot

Shep is more friendly to the MESS than I am right now.

It's pretty simple the OMSK doesn't construct anything but deterrent measures.

And you started the airspace violations with Lone and Beo leading spysat programs, so the JSEZ was devised as a counter to that behaviour.

Would you rather have us just DOWNING Lonestars and Beowulf satelites?

Stas Bush wrote:

Shep is out to stir the pot

Shep is more friendly to the MESS than I am right now.

It's pretty simple the OMSK doesn't construct anything but deterrent measures.

And you started the airspace violations with Lone and Beo leading spysat programs, so the JSEZ was devised as a counter to that behaviour.

Would you rather have us just DOWNING Lonestars and Beowulf satelites?

I would say go ahead because, again, it only provides us with more ammunition in the wider PR war.

Let me say it clearly the nation or group which APPEARS to be the agressor will ALWAYS be damaged in the eyes of the public.

A "year" ago the MESS was see as the agressor and we probably lost out on the chance to add several members because of it (I can think of a few folks who for both RP and in game event reasons were or would have been hesitant to accept an ofer to join). Now OMSK is PERCEIVED as the agressor. Now you can keep playing into that image, by taking actual agressive acts, or you can not. If you take agressive acts then you reinforce the current public perception and the best you will do is drag the MESS down with you but going aggressive or acting petulant will certainly not help the general perception of OMSK right now.

In human undertakings pereption IS reality, or at least diplomatic reality and no amount of careful factual analysis will change that (though it will certianly affect rational decision makers). I leave it to you how to react.

We're not doing anything "agressive" anymore, but I'm done communicating with Beowulf and Lonestar.

So, I understand there are anarchists running all over the place, in particular a nasty character named Joseph Bristle who helped orchestrate the PeZookian hostage crisis a while back. Suppose some of Bristle's comrades were to visit the Red Technocracy, Shepnukistan, Tian Xia, and Lonestar embassies in Ashford City all at once...

Wait. Should I really stir this shit up even more?

ahh hell, I've got my own Captain Nemo/Cobra Commander/V for Vendetta/C&C Generals grade anarchist terrorist running amok. Who appears to be trying to build weaponized sodium/lithium.

a reminder about what can happen with Alkali Metals combined with water. just remember proportions.

Saw in your post

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Navy Attempts to Reopen Talks with Tonkin Concerning JOCAM Equipment
Very few options left for anti-ship defense, Chief of Naval Operations states

Wait, did you place an order for Blackbeard a while back? I must have forgotten you I can reprogram the missile battalion programmed for Shepnukistani delivery to you if that's the case.

MKSheppard wrote:Saw in your post

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Navy Attempts to Reopen Talks with Tonkin Concerning JOCAM Equipment
Very few options left for anti-ship defense, Chief of Naval Operations states

Wait, did you place an order for Blackbeard a while back? I must have forgotten you I can reprogram the missile battalion programmed for Shepnukistani delivery to you if that's the case.

Yeah, I placed an order for a Blackbeard battallion a while back. Apparently, we both forgot. I just hope it gets here before things get too out of control.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:So, I understand there are anarchists running all over the place, in particular a nasty character named Joseph Bristle who helped orchestrate the PeZookian hostage crisis a while back. Suppose some of Bristle's comrades were to visit the Red Technocracy, Shepnukistan, Tian Xia, and Lonestar embassies in Ashford City all at once...

Wait. Should I really stir this shit up even more?

Well, Bristle's dead. He commanded the attack himself and was shot by a police sniper. The real people who orchestrated the attack are still unknown.

I got tired of being diplomatic.

PeZook wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:So, I understand there are anarchists running all over the place, in particular a nasty character named Joseph Bristle who helped orchestrate the PeZookian hostage crisis a while back. Suppose some of Bristle's comrades were to visit the Red Technocracy, Shepnukistan, Tian Xia, and Lonestar embassies in Ashford City all at once...

Wait. Should I really stir this shit up even more?

Well, Bristle's dead. He commanded the attack himself and was shot by a police sniper. The real people who orchestrated the attack are still unknown.

Guess I wasn't reading very closely, then. Very well. Adjustments can still be made. Prince Nobody and his alkali metal bombs will be just the ticket I need should things come to that point.

This is what happens when I take time off from the game to read some Ciaphas Cain. Thanks, guys

Oh BTW yes, the main insperations are command & conquer generals "Prince Khalid", Captain Nemo whose name means "Captain Nobody", yet Black PJs+Facemask is pure Cobra Commander or Prisoner in Cell 5 (Guy Fawkes Mask in V for Vendetta)

Nobody is an Anarchist, from the civilised world that feels disenfranchised because of the events in the last year, particularly the destruction of the Bear Republic's main shipping center and all it's support industries. It's theorized that he worked in Fuel Cell production prior to the disaster, probably working with hydrogen fuel cells, and Sodium as well as lithium power storage systems. This is also a 20,000 leagues refrence since Nemo's power supply for the Nautillus in the book, was the heat and oxygen released by the chemical reaction of sea water to small amounts of chemicals, since Alkali metals are what react to sea water.

Also added in here is a civilization call to power refrence. yes, he's building "Green Bombs" since the end result of the reaction is to turn a large amount of water into heat and water vapour it's not polluting like a nuke is.

Should I really stir this shit up even more?

No, you shouldn't.

MKSheppard wrote:Wait, did you place an order for Blackbeard a while back? I must have forgotten you I can reprogram the missile battalion programmed for Shepnukistani delivery to you if that's the case.

Muwahahaha. I am airlifting missiles and integration crews to him since you forgot!