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I was actually thinking that systems integration, not shiny toys, would be the main focus of the CDP.

And I agree that we don't need raptors to defend against a B-56 swarm, hence why I was looking for cheaper interceptors. Though the F-15 ACTIVE is probably still too expensive for my tastes, but I'll try to haggle it down with Shroom

In the end, I may end up buying some capable interceptors and a swarm of Mig-31s with a stockpile of WARPAC munitions.

And, of course, integration of all these IADS systems will be a bitch and take years, but the result will be a more robust defence.

Coyote: Communications is pretty much what we'd be doing here. We'll start by altering procedures, and then start doing a lot of systems integration, culminating in the establishment of a Continental Air Defence Command able to handle an air battle using all assets throughout the Old Continent.

The whole thing is a preparation for the coming of nuclear warfare, anyway, since the losses our current air forces can inflict upon Shepistani bombers are probably high enough to deter him at this point. But with nukes, even one bomber that gets through is a horrible disaster.

Czechmate: I sent you a PM with a sales proposition!

Responded.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

DarthShady wrote:Of course, we shall coordinate with our allies and crush these upstarts. In the meanwhile the USSR will welcome your forces within our territory.( you can land your planes as well, this goes for all SNC members)

Forces are now in transit. Give us a target, we will simply pound them into submission.

You may begin with crushing the enemy, if there are many left after PeZooks bombardment.

My forces will do so, soon(I am writing the post now).

Also: How shall we resolve the story? Does he surrender or do we have to crush him completely?

Added Zoria's History.

Zor

I am open to suggestions on how to resolve the war.

Lets make it something good.

Also: We need to include Shrooms Ace Pilots, they didn't fly to PeZookia for nothing.

And it looks like Shep and Skimmer are engaging in Genocide because a few of their men were killed by smugglers.

Raj Ahten wrote:And it looks like Shep and Skimmer are engaging in Genocide because a few of their men were killed by smugglers.

Please… genocide has specific meaning and we’ve done nothing of the sort. If it was genocide we wanted the death toll would be at least 2 million by now. Japanistan is in fact committed to an economic development campaign, and will be pushing ahead with one regardless of continued resistance.

Sea Skimmer wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:And it looks like Shep and Skimmer are engaging in Genocide because a few of their men were killed by smugglers.

Please… genocide has specific meaning and we’ve done nothing of the sort. If it was genocide we wanted the death toll would be at least 2 million by now. Japanistan is in fact committed to an economic development campaign, and will be pushing ahead with one regardless of continued resistance.

Well call it what you like, but what Shep wrote up is ethnic ceansing at the very least. Indhopal is not amused.

I'VE GOT TWO HOURS BEFORE I DINE IN HECK!

PeZook wrote:I was actually thinking that systems integration, not shiny toys, would be the main focus of the CDP.

And I agree that we don't need raptors to defend against a B-56 swarm, hence why I was looking for cheaper interceptors. Though the F-15 ACTIVE is probably still too expensive for my tastes, but I'll try to haggle it down with Shroom

Seriously, 4.5 generation fighters are rather costly and I really think Stas super-cheap prices are unrealistic when it comes to modernized fighters.

But no matter, I'll be downing the price of my fighters to within the $60+ millions (like the Gripen and the Rafale) just for you, PeZook! Um, this is rather low, but I think it'll be alright if you buy more than a few of them.

[MacMillan is weeping blood.]

Goddamn it! I do not want to miss the Balkan Wars!

[Guys! Make sure the Shroomanians get a piece of action as well!]

Well, Stas is emulating the Soviet Union, which IRL had special "military ruble" currency that made military equipment seem quite cheap.

Steve wrote:Well, Stas is emulating the Soviet Union, which IRL had special "military ruble" currency that made military equipment seem quite cheap.

Exports to the Warsaw Pact were also subsidized, IIRC. I suppose he could be doing that here to try and capture part of the market, but there's a lot of competitio ntoo.

So hey FTO guys. A balls-out war just started on the continent. Maybe you should, like, discuss that a little.

Czechmate wrote:So hey FTO guys. A balls-out war just started on the continent. Maybe you should, like, discuss that a little.

Hey, you posted while I was responding to the pre-conference talking points, send a message about all out war on my borders.

edit: I'll definitely bring that up.

Czechmate wrote:So hey FTO guys. A balls-out war just started on the continent. Maybe you should, like, discuss that a little.

Well My air force’s Heavy bombers can be on the way. That and most of my fighters. I can stop attacking Minoy if a lot of aircraft are needed.

I also got to say that I'm going to be away from a computer on Sunday and likely most of Monday. I leave the use of my air force Navy and quick reaction forces (The 2nd parachute regiment and Special Recon Group) to those FTO members being attacked (Coiler and Czechmate ) until I get back. Just don't do anything stupid with them . The forces marked building in my OOB are probably available by this time, but the crews are still being trained.

Edit: Indhopal's 1st Division could also be moving into Westchester to help fairly quickly. It was being kept in reserve for such eventualities. It is my heaviest force. BTW the following naval assets are transiting from the untamed continent and not imiediatly availible : 1 LHA, 1 AO, 1 AKE, 2 Sachsen Frigates, 1 Halifax Frigate, 1 Arleigh Burk Destroyer and 1 LST.

I'm not an FTO member and probably won't be. Just thought I'd let you guys know there was something going down on Frequesue.

So I just sprayed a couple tons of tear gas + BZ "Stupid" gas onto the tribesmen, as well as begun a defoliant program.

MKSheppard wrote:So I just sprayed a couple tons of tear gas + BZ "Stupid" gas onto the tribesmen, as well as begun a defoliant program.

You are just begging to invite international condemnation on your use of chemical weapons aren't you?

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: You are just begging to invite international condemnation on your use of chemical weapons aren't you?

Weren't they banned in the prologue?

They're just crowd control/incapicating weapons. The effects of BZ wear off in a few days, but for those few days, you're pretty much useless as a coherent military force -- you take your clothes off, play imaginary tennis, etc.

It's really sad about the infants; but they're more likely to die from anything due to their lower body masses.

MKSheppard wrote:They're just crowd control/incapicating weapons. The effects of BZ wear off in a few days, but for those few days, you're pretty much useless as a coherent military force -- you take your clothes off, play imaginary tennis, etc.

It's really sad about the infants; but they're more likely to die from anything due to their lower body masses.

I'm referring to the defoliants. You know full well that use of defoliants in Vietnam easily destroyed a good bit of a generation there.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I'm referring to the defoliants. You know full well that use of defoliants in Vietnam easily destroyed a good bit of a generation there.

The people who flew the RANCH HAND sorties, had to drink ORANGE straight from the spray tanks as a initation ritual; and guess what? the Ranch Handers have no statistically higher incidence of cancer or anything; despite them being constantly exposed to the shit in it's pure concentrated form, and drinking tons of it for rituals -- yet the troops on the ground, somehow are gonna be affected by the incredibly tiny quantities dispersed per cubic acre?

Guys, I hate to do this, but I have no choice. See, the internet on my ship has been functioning so erratically that I have no guarantee of being able to keep up with the game. I'm only on the ship for one more month, so I'm not withdrawing, but I will be on hiatus until October.

SiegeTank, are you still interested in Su-25? I offer the Su-39, but with western electronics.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:SiegeTank, are you still interested in Su-25? I offer the Su-39, but with western electronics.

I am; the Western electronics are actually a plus (because then I won't have to refit them myself). I'd like to take a full squadron (24 aircraft) off your hands.