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Stark wrote:First hand accounts are irrelevant?

Reviews aren't first hand accounts?

Gramzamber wrote:No, AP's quality or magical bugs you claim it has but are invisible are irrelevant. AP is an example of a game with actual choice and consequences, in which your protaganist can be varied. In ME, this isn't the case because it's so railroaded.

Choices and consequences that don't affect the overall story, such as it is.
How is that different from ME again? Okay you get an extra few gimmicks.. yay?

Gramzamber wrote:What are you talking about? First off I didn't see any horribly out-of-character things happen and you can't prove shit. Secondly, you can ignore Ashley the entire game and have her open her heart to you FOR NO FUCKING REASON. That's worse than 'a complex relationship results in the opportunity for sex' in forced-plot country, and is hardly the only example of things happening in ME because the plot demands.

Exagerrate much? Maybe she just wants to fuck you because you might all die soon and hey it's one way to relieve stress.
If you can make excuses for AP's shallow relationships I can make excuses for ME's.

Gramzamber wrote:Game set in middle ages is mysogynist? NO FUCKING WAY! It's also racist and involves terrorists!

Yeah cause in the middle ages women existed only to bone weird silver haired men and give them pornographic trading cards. Misogymon! Gotta catch em all!

Luckily this doesn't alter the fact that Witcher has a more flexible protaganist and storyline despite having a LITERALLY fixed character!

Did.. did we play the same game?

Gramzamber wrote:Reviews aren't first hand accounts?

Cherrypicking.

Gramzamber wrote:Choices and consequences that don't affect the overall story, such as it is.

Based on what? I haven't seen this level of story flexibility in a decade.

Gramzamber wrote:How is that different from ME again? Okay you get an extra few gimmicks.. yay?

'A few extra gimmicks' = 'trivial decisions are referenced constantly throughout the game and mission performance and approach impacts plot and relationships'?

Gramzamber wrote:Exagerrate much? Maybe she just wants to fuck you because you might all die soon and hey it's one way to relieve stress.
If you can make excuses for AP's shallow relationships I can make excuses for ME's.

How do you even know they're shallow? The existence of out-of-character relationships in AP was touted by you, based on nothing, while ME's primitive branching story is well known.

Gramzamber wrote:Yeah cause in the middle ages women existed only to bone weird silver haired men and give them pornographic trading cards. Misogymon! Gotta catch em all!

Yeah because... you fuck everyone... and it's bad to have sex with consenting adults... somehow...

Did.. did we play the same game?

Obviously not because Witcher has about a dozen points of plot divergence compared to ME1's two or three. It even puts big pictures up on the screen to explain this to you.

Witcher had different design goals to ME. Gramzamber is just being an idiot; Stark didn't even say 'Witcher is better than ME', he said it did some things better, which is of course true. Ford is completely correct to say ME feels like a sci-fi action movie, the second one even moreso than the first. After all Bioware's previous sci-fi RPG (KoTOR) was literally based on action movies. As a player you basically get the same control a movie director has; you can change the tone, choose how much screen time characters get and choose which draft of the script gets filmed, but that's it.

Bioware prefer to polish what they know works instead of taking risks - in particular they use rather conservative engines and throw money at art, voice acting and writing. Witcher had much more classic RPG mechanics, took more story and design risks, and was much less polished. Bethesda prefer to spend the money making huge immersive worlds and do take technical risks, which sometimes pan out and sometimes don't. Either way, they seem to value technology more and art/writing less. All these companies are pushing the envelope in different directions, which is good; as long as it's not cash-in shovelware I'm glad to see it. The baseline quality bar for all game elements keeps rising, but unfortunately that means the minimum viable development budget keeps rising as well.

Stark wrote:Oh, so you're just misinformed. AP works fine; I just finished it.

Didn't the game come out yesterday or something? How many hours of gameplay does it have?

I know it's difficult to understand games come out at different times in different regions, especially for Americans, but such questions are easily answered via google or even wikipedia.

It took me maybe 20-25 hours to finish; you could speed run slightly faster but it's not structured like ME where most of the playtime is unskippable convos and useless side missions.

ME has a lot of side missions, but one never knows how they will affect the second or even third game. For example, on the Citadel you can talk to a couple discussing genetically modifying their son. In the second game, you run into them again, and how you talked to them in the first alters how they converse. It's really very nicely written.

Night_stalker wrote:ME has a lot of side missions, but one never knows how they will affect the second or even third game. For example, on the Citadel you can talk to a couple discussing genetically modifying their son. In the second game, you run into them again, and how you talked to them in the first alters how they converse. It's really very nicely written.

I can virtually guarantee that the vast majority of those side-missions won't even be considered for inclusion in any kind of movie adaptation.

Stark wrote:I know it's difficult to understand games come out at different times in different regions, especially for Americans, but such questions are easily answered via google or even wikipedia.

I'm from Croatia and on wiki page it's stated that the game was released on May 27 in Australia. So I was surprised that you finished the game already on May 28th assuming you didn't play for something like 20 hours in one go.

Kane Starkiller wrote: I'm from Croatia and on wiki page it's stated that the game was released on May 27 in Australia. So I was surprised that you finished the game already on May 28th assuming you didn't play for something like 20 hours in one go.

I started posting before I finished and it came out early. My girlfriend and I have playthroughs going now and we still haven't seen any of these horrible bugs or broken dialog Granzamber talks about.