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Soontir C'boath wrote:

ray245 wrote:

Soontir C'boath wrote:I wonder if that X-Wing was a spare or if Luke booted someone else off the pilot roster. Anyway, given how people whine how SW ships fly like they are in atmosphere, seems Luke's time in a Skyhopper was good enough for Red Leader.

With SW's insane construction speed, I think building an X-Wing isn't a big challenge. It's finding good pilots that is the bigger challenge for the Rebels.

Nowhere did I ever talk about X-Wing construction times. Anyway, the point I was making is that Biggs and Red Leader apparently were willing to trust someone with one of their fighters who had at best flown an atmospheric craft and my quip about spaceships maneuvering as if they're in atmosphere as anti-SWers are not want of saying could very well just mean they've designed them in such a way to reduce such a need for extra training.

Plus, the Skyhopper apparently is in line with canon to have similar controls as the X-Wing if Wookiepedia is still anything to go by.

Galvatron wrote:I don't recall Thrawn frowning upon any of those things.

Eternal_Freedom wrote:The Force user one he did object to. Or at least being led by them; while he was willing to use C'Baoth it was as a tool and he took plenty of precautions to stop C'Baoth trying to take over.

Eternal_Freedom wrote:As for the superweapons, he made no effort to try and acquire or build any (as a Grand Admiral, he would at least of known of the Eclipse and possibly the Maw Installation as well.

Galvatron wrote:

Eternal_Freedom wrote:The Force user one he did object to. Or at least being led by them; while he was willing to use C'Baoth it was as a tool and he took plenty of precautions to stop C'Baoth trying to take over.

You mean, besides the Emperor?

Eternal_Freedom wrote:As for the superweapons, he made no effort to try and acquire or build any (as a Grand Admiral, he would at least of known of the Eclipse and possibly the Maw Installation as well.

Thrawn wasn't privy to a lot things. Most notably, the Emperor's resurrection on Byss. So why should have have known about the resurrected Emperor's flagship?

And the Maw Installation was Tarkin's secret. Only he knew about it. That's why Admiral Daala's fleet remained there for ten years while the Empire fell apart all around her.

Elheru Aran wrote:'Fleet'. Wasn't it something silly like only 3 Star Destroyers? (god fuck KJA)

Elheru Aran wrote:I may be pulling this out of my ass but weren't there implications drawn after the fact that Thrawn *did* know about Byss and the Emperor Reborn, that he was reconquering the New Republic in order to pave the path for Palpatine's return? Or was that just Lucasfilm trying to patch up the ragged-ass mess that Dark Empire made of the continuity?

While Palpatine was still recovering in his Deep Core stronghold, his former advisors received word (8 ABY) of the arrival, from deep in the Unknown Regions, of the last surviving Grand Admiral. This was the Chiss strategic mastermind Grand Admiral Thrawn, who was armed with a plan he outlined to them that would defeat the New Republic. Heartened by the possibility of wresting back their power from the Rebels, they managed to set aside their differences and grant him overall command of their forces, with an eye toward making him their figurehead emperor once they had a throne back to give him. When Palpatine learned of this, he was genuinely devastated. He had liked Thrawn, as much as he was capable of liking anyone. He had entrusted much to Thrawn's genius, even as he had used that genius for his own ends.

Palpatine's reaction may have to do with whatever role he was planning for Thrawn in his own upcoming offensive, Operation Shadow Hand. If anyone knew all there was to know about Thrawn's activities in the Unknown Regions, Palpatine knew. He had to have known what resources Thrawn commanded. Possibly he was only waiting for the right moment to reveal himself to Thrawn and offer him a place in his revived Empire, as he would soon do with many others, but never did. Instead, he let Thrawn make his bid to defeat the New Republic and, in secret, made every attempt to undermine that campaign. This terrible example of Palpatine's pettiness may have cost him everything. A combined offensive, consisting of his own forces launched from Byss, and Thrawn's launched from Nirauan, would have meant the quick and painful death of the New Republic.

NecronLord wrote:

Elheru Aran wrote:'Fleet'. Wasn't it something silly like only 3 Star Destroyers? (god fuck KJA)

Three star destroyers is a reasonably logical number for baby-sitting a bunch of scientists, really. And she got to be admiral through patronage in the first place.

Galvatron wrote:I see.

So your theory is that Admiral Rae Sloane, a prominent new character whose arc spans multiple novels, was simply "whacked" and we never heard about it.

Galvatron wrote:I don't recall Thrawn frowning upon any of those things.

Eternal_Freedom wrote:

Galvatron wrote:

Eternal_Freedom wrote:The Force user one he did object to. Or at least being led by them; while he was willing to use C'Baoth it was as a tool and he took plenty of precautions to stop C'Baoth trying to take over.

You mean, besides the Emperor?

Yes, because Thrawn didn't have much choice with the Emperor. But when he was in charge he made a conscious effort to avoid having FOrce users in control.

NecronLord wrote:Frankly, Red Leader knew Luke's Father, at least according to the deleted scenes, so it makes a degree of sense they'd trust Anakin Skywalker's son to take a spare X-wing into a life-or-death fight, if he knows anything about the force being inherited.

Knife wrote:Amen, the old EU is dead, long live the new EU.

Galvatron wrote:What baffles me is that Thanas keeps insisting that it can't be Thrawn and I find his reasons to be both poorly thought-out and flimsy.

The Romulan Republic wrote:

Knife wrote:Amen, the old EU is dead, long live the new EU.

I'm all for doing new things. That's the whole bloody point of a reboot to me.

But I'll be honest: their are a very few parts of the old EU I somewhat miss having in canon, and the Grand Admiral is one of them.

Eternal_Freedom wrote:According to some of the OLD EU comics, the half-built Eclipse was used to hold meetings of the Grand Admirals, at least one of which was attended by Thrawn. So yeah, he did know about it.

Eternal_Freedom wrote:There is mention in "Byss and the Deep Core" of the Eclipse being used as a meeting place for the Grand Admirals, and there is a picture on the Grad Admiral page of Thrawn and Takel in uniform standing on the bridge of a Star Destroyer-type vessel. I would have sworn the full picture showed Palpatine as well but the full version doesn't seem to be available on the wiki any longer.

The Eclipse

In construction for almost as long as either Death Star, the Eclipse is a massive capital ship orbiting the planet Byss. Almost unimaginable in length and unparalleled in firepower, the Eclipse is the largest Star Destroyer ever built, dwarfing the Super Star Destroyers and bearing within its arsenal a superlaser capable of cracking the crust of most planets. The interior of the Eclipse resembles the interior of a Star Destroyer, but also contains docking bays and repair facilities like those found on space platforms. An orbital battlestation in its own right, meetings between the Grand Admirals and other important business of the Imperial Navy take place in one of the many war rooms aboard the massive capital ship. The Eclipse is a permanent fixture in the skies above Byss, an imposing visage and display of the Imperial Navy's might.

NecronLord wrote:Krishna Galv, can't you google? Yes, it's a WotC roleplaying supplement that was released online.