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[Ghost Rider]

If the Debate has already been won, why do they not stop?

Because they are illogical morons.

Most of the logical and sane fans have conceded and do not pursue. The fucktards and the stubborn fools continue.

[Dakarne]

Most of the logical and sane fans have conceded and do not pursue. The fucktards and the stubborn fools continue.

Class me under Stubborn fool then...

I'm most definitely going to try to win this, and make even the most stubborn of the Pro-Trek Debators give up. (might take a while...)

There's three people who seem to make up the most Idiotic of the Idiotic

-SailorSaturumon13
-Son-of-CCN
-Mike Dicenso (I trust that you have a history with this one)

These are who I'm currently trying to beat...

[Ghost Rider]

Most of the logical and sane fans have conceded and do not pursue. The fucktards and the stubborn fools continue.

Class me under Stubborn fool then...

I'm most definitely going to try to win this, and make even the most stubborn of the Pro-Trek Debators give up. (might take a while...)

There's three people who seem to make up the most Idiotic of the Idiotic

-SailorSaturumon13
-Son-of-CCN
-Mike Dicenso (I trust that you have a history with this one)

These are who I'm currently trying to beat...

So which side is the stubborn fool, the pro wars or Trek?

Or are you just mixing it up for some unknown reason?

[Dakarne]

I'm too stubborn to stop until they get a clue, and they're too stubborn to actually get the clue.

It might take a while, but it can be done.

[Stark]

No, it can't. Get laid or go for a jog if you've got that much energy.

[Lord Poe]

It can't be done. Mike DiCenso has been at it for as long as Mike Wong and I have. And that's nearly 9 years. (shudder)

DiCenso has a new champion in Darkstar, so he's going to hold onto that lead goose for all he's worth. Google Dicenso's name, my name, and Mike's name in the Google forums, along with the work "trek", and you'll see what I mean.

[Ender]

"What is the trump card?"

The direct Base Delta Zero support in the RotS Novel...

Initially, they weren't allowing it, but now it's "directly supported by the Higher Canon"

So yeah, I have actually got a trump card.

Really, so it says that a single ship is capable of melting the entire crust of a planet to molten lava in about an hour?

No, wait, it doesn't. There's just a vague reference to burning planets. No description of how much damage, by how many ships, or how long it took. Hell, its vague enough you could argue they just used a c fractional asteroid, and not the ships at all.

So no you waste, it does not serve as a trump card

[Vympel]

The only thing arguing with those guys is good for is mental exercise and entertainment. You're not going to change their minds. Arguing from pure canon is fun- when it stops being fun, I go away for a while. That's the only reason you should do it. If it's not fun, don't bother.

Mike DiCenso has been at it for as long as Mike Wong and I have. And that's nearly 9 years. (shudder)

Wait wait wait ... he's been at it for 9 years, and this guy seriously put the following arguments to me?

1. Federation replicators will allow the UFP to "make up the difference" between the industrial capability of the 1,000,000 system moonlet-size planet-destroying battle station building power and their own (few hundred world podunk gnat-shit).

2a. Any Imperial invasion would be weak, because they only brought a few dozen ships to Endor.

2b. Ditto, because they only attacked Hoth with five ships.

3. The trip Padme and Anakin took between Coruscant and Naboo was sublight in AotC, because we didn't see them go to hyperspace and we saw shots of the ship flying.

4. The Pegasus asteroid is 33km.

Ok now 3 is simply a recent edition in monumental jaw-dropping absurdity, but where the fuck does someone pull stupid ass arguments like 1, 2a and 2b if he's been arguing this for 9 years? Did he seriously believe that utter tripe, or did he just think because I wasn't an ASVSer he could get away with that sort of dumbassed argument?

[Dakarne]

It can't be done. Mike DiCenso has been at it for as long as Mike Wong and I have. And that's nearly 9 years. (shudder)

So Mike Dickheadso has been at it for 9 bloody years...

I think that's longer than I've been a Star Wars or Star Trek fan. Wow. I thought I was stubborn.

The only thing arguing with those guys is good for is mental exercise and entertainment. You're not going to change their minds. Arguing from pure canon is fun- when it stops being fun, I go away for a while. That's the only reason you should do it. If it's not fun, don't bother.

Good point, I do actually find half the claims funny, I have to wonder whether they're doing it deliberately half of the time for a joke. I think this thread needs to be renamed to the "Strek-v-Swars.net" thread or something. Since it seems to have lost a lot of relevance to the original title, other than the fact that they're making some pretty stupid claims.

[Mange]

The only thing arguing with those guys is good for is mental exercise and entertainment. You're not going to change their minds. Arguing from pure canon is fun- when it stops being fun, I go away for a while. That's the only reason you should do it. If it's not fun, don't bother.

Mike DiCenso has been at it for as long as Mike Wong and I have. And that's nearly 9 years. (shudder)

Wait wait wait ... he's been at it for 9 years, and this guy seriously put the following arguments to me?

1. Federation replicators will allow the UFP to "make up the difference" between the industrial capability of the 1,000,000 system moonlet-size planet-destroying battle station building power and their own (few hundred world podunk gnat-shit).

2a. Any Imperial invasion would be weak, because they only brought a few dozen ships to Endor.

2b. Ditto, because they only attacked Hoth with five ships.

3. The trip Padme and Anakin took between Coruscant and Naboo was sublight in AotC, because we didn't see them go to hyperspace and we saw shots of the ship flying.

4. The Pegasus asteroid is 33km.

Ok now 3 is simply a recent edition in monumental jaw-dropping absurdity, but where the fuck does someone pull stupid ass arguments like 1, 2a and 2b if he's been arguing this for 9 years? Did he seriously believe that utter tripe, or did he just think because I wasn't an ASVSer he could get away with that sort of dumbassed argument?

Speaking of Mike Dicenso, he's one of the advocates of the "photon torpedo central glow growth" nonsense. It seems impossible to make the point across that it's a illusion due to the angular movement in some of the shots (such as in "The Best of Both Worlds", "Rise" etc. while there isn't a hint of such a phenomena in two scenes of "STII: "The Wrath of Khan" or the Voy episode "Dreadnaught"). I can't produce screenshots, but has anyone looked at this "photon torpedo glow growth" nonsense more closely?
Oh, and here's the thread in question: "ST firepower lower limits" +http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/vie ... 8&start=90

[Dakarne]

Speaking of Mike Dicenso, he's one of the advocates of the "photon torpedo central glow growth" nonsense. It seems impossible to make the point across that it's a illusion due to the angular movement in some of the shots (such as in "The Best of Both Worlds", "Rise" etc. while there isn't a hint of such a phenomena in two scenes of "STII: "The Wrath of Khan" or the Voy episode "Dreadnaught"). I can't produce screenshots, but has anyone looked at this "photon torpedo glow growth" nonsense more closely?

I don't care how big the torpedo starts, or ends as, It's just a miniature pod with a bunch of antimatter in it... that does a job as a missile.

A rather weak missile which would be beaten any day by one of the "Dumb" RotS torpedoes.

[Mange]

It can't be done. Mike DiCenso has been at it for as long as Mike Wong and I have. And that's nearly 9 years. (shudder)

DiCenso has a new champion in Darkstar, so he's going to hold onto that lead goose for all he's worth. Google Dicenso's name, my name, and Mike's name in the Google forums, along with the work "trek", and you'll see what I mean.

I'm sorry to go off-topic, but are you experiencing any problems with your site? Whenever I try to enter http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/usvsd.html all I get is a Yahoo! error message saying that I don't have permission to access the site.

[Ender]

The only thing arguing with those guys is good for is mental exercise and entertainment. You're not going to change their minds. Arguing from pure canon is fun- when it stops being fun, I go away for a while. That's the only reason you should do it. If it's not fun, don't bother.

Mike DiCenso has been at it for as long as Mike Wong and I have. And that's nearly 9 years. (shudder)

Wait wait wait ... he's been at it for 9 years, and this guy seriously put the following arguments to me?

1. Federation replicators will allow the UFP to "make up the difference" between the industrial capability of the 1,000,000 system moonlet-size planet-destroying battle station building power and their own (few hundred world podunk gnat-shit).

2a. Any Imperial invasion would be weak, because they only brought a few dozen ships to Endor.

2b. Ditto, because they only attacked Hoth with five ships.

3. The trip Padme and Anakin took between Coruscant and Naboo was sublight in AotC, because we didn't see them go to hyperspace and we saw shots of the ship flying.

4. The Pegasus asteroid is 33km.

Ok now 3 is simply a recent edition in monumental jaw-dropping absurdity, but where the fuck does someone pull stupid ass arguments like 1, 2a and 2b if he's been arguing this for 9 years? Did he seriously believe that utter tripe, or did he just think because I wasn't an ASVSer he could get away with that sort of dumbassed argument?

Speaking of Mike Dicenso, he's one of the advocates of the "photon torpedo central glow growth" nonsense. It seems impossible to make the point across that it's a illusion due to the angular movement in some of the shots (such as in "The Best of Both Worlds", "Rise" etc. while there isn't a hint of such a phenomena in two scenes of "STII: "The Wrath of Khan" or the Voy episode "Dreadnaught"). I can't produce screenshots, but has anyone looked at this "photon torpedo glow growth" nonsense more closely?
Oh, and here's the thread in question: "ST firepower lower limits" +http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/vie ... 8&start=90

Sean Looked at this a while back, Voyager Alliances blows it out of the water. It shows them firing at a city from a long way off. At the end you can compare the size of the torp to the windows on the buildings, and prove it the nonsense it is.

I'm intrigued about the "4.2 gigaton phaser" bullshit on their main page from Masks.

[Ender]

Speaking of Mike Dicenso, he's one of the advocates of the "photon torpedo central glow growth" nonsense. It seems impossible to make the point across that it's a illusion due to the angular movement in some of the shots (such as in "The Best of Both Worlds", "Rise" etc. while there isn't a hint of such a phenomena in two scenes of "STII: "The Wrath of Khan" or the Voy episode "Dreadnaught"). I can't produce screenshots, but has anyone looked at this "photon torpedo glow growth" nonsense more closely?

I don't care how big the torpedo starts, or ends as, It's just a miniature pod with a bunch of antimatter in it... that does a job as a missile.

It matters for scaling to derive yield you fucking retard.

A rather weak missile which would be beaten any day by one of the "Dumb" RotS torpedoes.

Yeah, because a light chemical charge that releases robots is way stronger then a several hundred kiloton warhead.

[Mange]

The only thing arguing with those guys is good for is mental exercise and entertainment. You're not going to change their minds. Arguing from pure canon is fun- when it stops being fun, I go away for a while. That's the only reason you should do it. If it's not fun, don't bother.
Wait wait wait ... he's been at it for 9 years, and this guy seriously put the following arguments to me?

1. Federation replicators will allow the UFP to "make up the difference" between the industrial capability of the 1,000,000 system moonlet-size planet-destroying battle station building power and their own (few hundred world podunk gnat-shit).

2a. Any Imperial invasion would be weak, because they only brought a few dozen ships to Endor.

2b. Ditto, because they only attacked Hoth with five ships.

3. The trip Padme and Anakin took between Coruscant and Naboo was sublight in AotC, because we didn't see them go to hyperspace and we saw shots of the ship flying.

4. The Pegasus asteroid is 33km.

Ok now 3 is simply a recent edition in monumental jaw-dropping absurdity, but where the fuck does someone pull stupid ass arguments like 1, 2a and 2b if he's been arguing this for 9 years? Did he seriously believe that utter tripe, or did he just think because I wasn't an ASVSer he could get away with that sort of dumbassed argument?

Speaking of Mike Dicenso, he's one of the advocates of the "photon torpedo central glow growth" nonsense. It seems impossible to make the point across that it's a illusion due to the angular movement in some of the shots (such as in "The Best of Both Worlds", "Rise" etc. while there isn't a hint of such a phenomena in two scenes of "STII: "The Wrath of Khan" or the Voy episode "Dreadnaught"). I can't produce screenshots, but has anyone looked at this "photon torpedo glow growth" nonsense more closely?
Oh, and here's the thread in question: "ST firepower lower limits" +http://www.strek-v-swars.net/phpBB2/vie ... 8&start=90

Sean Looked at this a while back, Voyager Alliances blows it out of the water. It shows them firing at a city from a long way off. At the end you can compare the size of the torp to the windows on the buildings, and prove it the nonsense it is.

I'm intrigued about the "4.2 gigaton phaser" bullshit on their main page from Masks.

Thanks, Ender! I found the thread in question. Sean sure knows his business.

[Glimmervoid]

Ok now 3 is simply a recent edition in monumental jaw-dropping absurdity, but where the fuck does someone pull stupid ass arguments like 1, 2a and 2b if he's been arguing this for 9 years? Did he seriously believe that utter tripe, or did he just think because I wasn't an ASVSer he could get away with that sort of dumbassed argument?

You think that’s dumb I once tried to argue with some one who was saying the death star had no hyper drive. He was you standard canon moron and would only allow the movies and not novelisations or anything, even to support higher canon. His proof was that you could not see any big glowing engines(I even after I told him they were ion engines and not hyper dives) and went on to say that Luke was on the rebel base at Endor for years.

It is IMO impossible to persuade the hard core pro trek debates they will just ignore what you say if they don’t like it. But it is possible to persuade people who just entered the debate (on sites like startrek.com) and stop them becoming pro-trek morons. And then in time the pro-trek side will hopefully die out.

[DPDarkPrimus]

Just like fundamentalists.

[Dakarne]

Yeah, because a light chemical charge that releases robots is way stronger then a several hundred kiloton warhead.

Actually... I was referring to the warheads that were chasing Anakin. The ones which were actually made to explode.

[Ender]

Yeah, because a light chemical charge that releases robots is way stronger then a several hundred kiloton warhead.

Actually... I was referring to the warheads that were chasing Anakin. The ones which were actually made to explode.

All 4 were buzz droid missiles.

[Dakarne]

I thought the ones after anakin were non-buzz droid, and the ones after obiwan weren't, guess I was wrong then.

What about Jango's concussion missiles?

[Junghalli]

I'm intrigued about the "4.2 gigaton phaser" bullshit on their main page from Masks.

I think they derived it from the Enterprise's phasers melting away a large icy comet in seconds to expose the artifact.

[Ender]

I'm intrigued about the "4.2 gigaton phaser" bullshit on their main page from Masks.

I think they derived it from the Enterprise's phasers melting away a large icy comet in seconds to expose the artifact.

Right, but the fact that that is the sole time I've seen that incident cited for a firepower figure in the 5 years of debating I have under my belt and that it generates such a high figure makes me instantly suspicious. I was hoping Wayne or one of the old ASVS guys could comment on it since I've never sen the incident in question and the link to the work that suppossedly proves it is broken.

[Lord Poe]

I'm sorry to go off-topic, but are you experiencing any problems with your site? Whenever I try to enter http://www.mrpoesmorgue.com/usvsd/usvsd.html all I get is a Yahoo! error message saying that I don't have permission to access the site.

I just checked it, and it works fine for me. I HAVE been doing major cleanups and rearranging there, though. Can a couple other people check it? Make sure I didn't set it to "no outside visitors allowed"?

[Techno_Union]

I just checked it, and it works fine for me. I HAVE been doing major cleanups and rearranging there, though. Can a couple other people check it? Make sure I didn't set it to "no outside visitors allowed"?

Works fine for me.

[Lord Poe]

Sean Looked at this a while back, Voyager Alliances blows it out of the water. It shows them firing at a city from a long way off. At the end you can compare the size of the torp to the windows on the buildings, and prove it the nonsense it is.

I'm intrigued about the "4.2 gigaton phaser" bullshit on their main page from Masks.

Thanks, Ender! I found the thread in question. Sean sure knows his business.[/quote]

Where's that thread? Sean and I toyed around with the strangely growing torps a couple months back.