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RedImperator wrote:

Straha wrote:I just did a quick search through, but is Japan claimed yet? It'd be interesting to play Meiji in this time period, and if it isn't claimed I call dibs.

NPC. You didn't really think you were going to get to play a fully industrialized naval superpower amongst a bunch of refugee camps with delusions of grandeur, did you?

It wouldn't be a fully industrialized naval superpower. If the "great European war" broke out in 1870 this would have prevented Japanese from industrializing because Europe, which it relied on to modernize, would have been in no position to help it. It would certainly have tried to modernize and industrialize, but it would never reach the power it had OTL and would probably be on equal footing with the other nations which already had foreign interference giving them a head start (Japan would probably be tied to them via debt as well.) And would undoubtably be mired in Korea, and probably Manchuria, trying to defend its national interests. (And re-reading the OP just now, it is stated to be in Manchuria at the least. )

If you have objections to that I'll look elsewhere for the nation, but I see no reason why Japan wouldn't be an acceptable nation to play.

Straha wrote:

RedImperator wrote:

Straha wrote:I just did a quick search through, but is Japan claimed yet? It'd be interesting to play Meiji in this time period, and if it isn't claimed I call dibs.

NPC. You didn't really think you were going to get to play a fully industrialized naval superpower amongst a bunch of refugee camps with delusions of grandeur, did you?

It wouldn't be a fully industrialized naval superpower. If the "great European war" broke out in 1870 this would have prevented Japanese from industrializing because Europe, which it relied on to modernize, would have been in no position to help it. It would certainly have tried to modernize and industrialize, but it would never reach the power it had OTL and would probably be on equal footing with the other nations which already had foreign interference giving them a head start (Japan would probably be tied to them via debt as well.) And would undoubtably be mired in Korea, and probably Manchuria, trying to defend its national interests. (And re-reading the OP just now, it is stated to be in Manchuria at the least. )

It would still be way ahead of the rest of the states, which at the time the game starts have only just recently broken away from their colonial overlords, are dealing with an influx of European refugees on top of heterogenous natives, and none of them with more than a fraction of Japan's population. However stunted Japan's industrial development is in this time, it's still further along than everyone else.

If you have objections to that I'll look elsewhere for the nation, but I see no reason why Japan wouldn't be an acceptable nation to play.

The fact that Thirdfain made it an NPC nation would be a good start.

EDIT: Changed an inaccurate statement.

RedImperator wrote:
It would still be way ahead of the rest of the states, which at the time the game starts have only just recently broken away from their colonial overlords, are dealing with an influx of European refugees on top of heterogenous natives, and none of them with more than a fraction of Japan's population. However stunted Japan's industrial development is in this time, it's still further along than everyone else.

All of Japan (heavily populated and well underway in industrialization) vs my relocated Crown Colony populated with felons and political prisoners. Not a game I'd want to play unless I get some 40K Marines to help me.

Agent Fisher wrote:The Orcas spent a year preparing and finally they took the largest port on island of Panay, in the Philippinnes.

We've got a problem here:

I wrote:Adrian Magnus claims the Philippines, all of them.

RedImperator wrote:

If you have objections to that I'll look elsewhere for the nation, but I see no reason why Japan wouldn't be an acceptable nation to play.

The fact that Thirdfain made it an NPC nation would be a good start.

EDIT: Changed an inaccurate statement.

I didn't see that, but fair enough. I'll take another look at le map then.

Adrian Laguna wrote:

Agent Fisher wrote:The Orcas spent a year preparing and finally they took the largest port on island of Panay, in the Philippinnes.

We've got a problem here:

I wrote:Adrian Magnus claims the Philippines, all of them.

*goes squinty eyes.* You son of a bitch. Could you part with one of your islands or should I start looking for a new place?

Agent Fisher wrote:*goes squinty eyes.* You son of a bitch. Could you part with one of your islands or should I start looking for a new place?

What's particularly ironic is that I specified "all of them" on a whim.

I'm really sorry, but yes, you'll have to find a new place.

EDIT - Actually, if you think you can make it worth my while, I might be willing to reconsider. You may contact me via PM.

Consider Madagascar to be the domain of the Authority of Germania. More info forthcoming.

Adrian Laguna wrote:

Agent Fisher wrote:*goes squinty eyes.* You son of a bitch. Could you part with one of your islands or should I start looking for a new place?

What's particularly ironic is that I specified "all of them" on a whim.

I'm really sorry, but yes, you'll have to find a new place.

EDIT - Actually, if you think you can make it worth my while, I might be willing to reconsider. You may contact me via PM.

Fuck it, I'll find another spot.

And I had my nation done before you. Note to self, next time there is a STGOD that is set in the indian, drop a blanket claim on a bunch of islands as soon as possible.

Adrian Laguna wrote:

Agent Fisher wrote:And I had my nation done before you.

I was doing research. The fruits of which you should see before I call it a night.

Here's what I've got so far. It covers everything until 1868 or '69.


Historical Background

In the years leading-up to the Great War, Spain suffered from much political turmoil. In 1830 King Fernando VII de España, finding himself with no male heir, issued a Pragmatic Sanction that would allow his eldest daughter to become reigning Queen upon his death. In 1833, Fernando died, and his wife Maria Cristina de Borbon-Dos Sicilias became regent on behalf of their infant daughter Isabel II.

The Pragmatic Sanction had robbed Carlos María Isidro de Borbón, Fernando's brother, of his title as Principe de Asturias. Capitalizing on resentment among conservatives against Ferninand's recent liberal reforms, he styled himself Carlos V and set off to war. During the seven-year conflict, the Carlists dominate large rural areas but fail to capture a single important city, port, or industrial area. Naturally, they lose.

In 1845, Carlos V abdicates in to his son Carlos Luis de Borbón, who takes the title of Carlos VI and iniciates the Second Carlist War when Isabel II does not marry him. It was more of a failure than the first, consisting mostly of guerrilla actions in the East of the country that accomplished nothing. Fighting lasted from 1846-'49.

In 1860, Carlos V is taken prisoner and abdicates to his younger brother Juan, who takes the title Juan III. What would have become the Third Carlist War is engulfed into the myriad of wars and conflicts known simply as the Great War. In terms of military gains, the Third Carlist War was considerably more successful than the other two. However, in terms of still having a pretender to throne after they lost, it was a spectacular failure. By the end of it, the Carlists are charred and rotting corpses, strewn across battlefields in Eastern Spain and Southwestern France.

The turmoil and chaos of the Great War caused many monarchs to lose their heads, both figuratively and literally. In an attempt to preserve the Spanish Burbon line and crown, should the worst happen, Isabel II sent her eldest daughter to the Philippines. In 1866 the young Isabel arrives and takes control of the colony in the name of her mother the Queen. Sent there to establish a place to retreat to in the event of Spain's fall, the Infanta takes nominal control of all Spanish oriental units and begins to consolidate control over the Philippines, effectively making them independent from Spain.



EDIT - I just noticed something, the Dai-Viet description doesn't add-up. How can it talk about events happening in 1890 and "two years later" when the game starts in 1890?

Whoops. Thought the game started in 1892. Slide everything back two years.

Just a heads up, decided to whip up a map to show what islands HAVE been picked and which ones are still free!:

Lovely! I'll be running a nation out of the western coast of India and Ceylon, sil-vous plais. The eastern coast I'll leave open.

Adrian Laguna wrote:Hey Thirdfain, I've been doing some reasearch. Why don't you add petroleum to the resource list? By 1890 Kerosene was widely used for heating and lighting. Karl Benz invented the first automobile in 1885. At the time Gasoline was only available commercially as a cleaning fluid, but some industries did use it to run internal combustion engines and power their machinery. Standard Oil was able to keep prices low because, among other things, they used their gasoline, thus saving on bills to the power companies (other refineries dumped it in rivers).

It would make air-ships a bit more effective once someone figures-out that gasoline is more efficient than electric motors and puts some internal combustion engines on an air-ship.

It's not a major industrial resource as yet; if the game wears on, I'll add it. Most importantly, it's not used to run ships or generate most of the world's power, unlike coal which will be of supreme importance for some decades to come.

It's certainly getting busy around here. Dahak, we might want to have a little chat regarding the straits inbetween us.

I'm calling the island of Sulawesi, in Indonesia

Has anyone claimed Hindoostan or is that NPC too? If it's playable I think I'll take it. If not put me down for New Guinea..

Read the OP: Islands besides Japan and Formosa are all available, as are red-outlined coastal areas. Nothing else.

Straha wrote:If not put me down for New Guinea..

It's getting a bit crowded there, why don't you take the islands Thirdfain added North of Madagascar? The powers in that section of the world will probably need all the help they can get in dismantling the Khaliphate.

Updated version of the map (sorry Crossroads, couldn't resist):


Notes:
-Ceylon Island is claimed by InnocentBystandar, but there's been no word from him since August 31.
-Straha will be added once he decides whether to take my advice or not.

Its kewl Adrian.. But maybe Thirdfain could update the map yet again? It wouild be really nice to have all the NPC regions laid out for us so we know where they are and who where dealing with.

Nitram's nation looks sort of... vasty. Are we sure he intended to claim the entire coast of East Africa?

Pablo Sanchez wrote:Nitram's nation looks sort of... vasty. Are we sure he intended to claim the entire coast of East Africa?

As I recall, it's not what you would call lots of useful land, unless your idea of 'useful' is 'TMA-0'.

Which would admittably be awesome to find, but not really relevent.

Thirdfain wrote:Read the OP: Islands besides Japan and Formosa are all available, as are red-outlined coastal areas. Nothing else.

Ah, my bad, I need to get more sleep. Then I claim New Guinea. I'll get a nation description written in the next few days.

It's getting a bit crowded there, why don't you take the islands Thirdfain added North of Madagascar? The powers in that section of the world will probably need all the help they can get in dismantling the Khaliphate.

Yes, but I both like the idea of trying to do a tribal thing in New Guinea, and get queesy at the thought of having Pablo, Nitram, and Thirdfain as my next door neighbours.

Map's wrong. I have the northern portion of the red outlined coast of Australia. Jalinth has the western portion. It's divided roughly equally.

Oh, and Thirdfain said the western half of Hindoostan. That would be the left half.

Beowulf wrote:Map's wrong. I have the northern portion of the red outlined coast of Australia. Jalinth has the western portion. It's divided roughly equally.

National description says it streches from Perth to Tasmania. The map stops just north of Perth.

EDIT - It has been brought to my attention that the Royal Colony got kicked out of Melbourne and Tasmania. They've relocated to the area around Perth. This means that the nation holds some of the southernmost parts of the Australia in the map, but most of it is still outside its boundaries.

Oh, and Thirdfain said the western half of Hindoostan. That would be the left half.

His claim on Ceylon threw me off, it makes far more sense to take the Eastern half if you're taking the island as well.