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Posted: **2005-03-11 08:47pm**

As I said, I doubt they're accurate depictions of the finished model kits. If the older photo from a few pages back is any indication, the model of the Venator is devoid of greebly detail.

Posted: **2005-03-11 08:47pm**

observer_20000 wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:I would say it's probaly a Vendator or a Mandator, we know that KDY bridges are very similar to each others. The bridge design will tell us it's an KDY ship (assuming other companies don't use KDY bridge design).
Excuse my ignorance, but what are Mandators?

A Star Destroyer class mentioned in the AotC ICS.

Posted: **2005-03-11 08:52pm**

A Star Destroyer class mentioned in the AotC ICS.

a Star Dreadnought/Super Star Destroyer class. These are part of the system defence fleet in Kuat and have only limited hyperdrive range.

Posted: **2005-03-11 08:59pm**

Lord Revan wrote:
A Star Destroyer class mentioned in the AotC ICS.
a Star Dreadnought/Super Star Destroyer class. These are part of the system defence fleet in Kuat and have only limited hyperdrive range.

Nothing about the Hyperspace range of a Mandator is mentioned in the ICS.

Posted: **2005-03-11 09:03pm**

SWTC reference. No mention of the Mendator's range, though it is said to be nearly as large as the Executor.

Posted: **2005-03-12 09:08am**

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Nothing about the Hyperspace range of a Mandator is mentioned in the ICS.

the text under the rampin my goes like this

AOTC:ICS finnish translation wrote:Enne tulevasta
Kloonisotia edeltäneinä rauhallisina vuosisatoina rakennttiin isompia ja voikkaampia sotalaivoja puolustumaan Corellian, Humbarinen ja Kuatin vauraita teollisuussektoreita, mutta näiden alusten hyperajokantama oli pieni. Transgalaktisten sotalaivojen ja armeijoiden paluu on merkki pahaenteisestä kehityksestä

the bolded part says

but the hyperdrive range of these ships was short

Posted: **2005-03-12 09:42am**

Firefox wrote:SWTC reference.

It must be so cool to just say "Yeah. I invented it in my Star Wars book."

Posted: **2005-03-12 09:47am**

Hey you can it your edition it in text under the Acclamator boarding ramp (page 23).

Posted: **2005-03-12 10:04am**

I meant for Saxton. "It's canon because I wrote it! Hah!"

Posted: **2005-03-12 10:23am**

NecronLord wrote:I meant for Saxton. "It's canon because I wrote it! Hah!"

Well isn't everything in the ICSs canon unless counterdicted by higher source?

Posted: **2005-03-12 10:36am**

Lord Revan wrote:Well isn't everything in the ICSs canon unless counterdicted by higher source?

I'm not saying it isn't.

Though I am wondering how clonetrooper armour is stupposed to survive a kiloton range laser cannon blast in close proximity.

Posted: **2005-03-12 10:50am**

Yeah both good and bad thing about canon it doesn't have make sence.

Posted: **2005-03-12 01:10pm**

Saxton doesn´t write every single thing even in the books where he´s listed as author. There´s always a team of people and compromises to be made.

And this whole "not liking numbers he might have found out" is Dark Star behaviour. Please spare this board that kind of fucktardery.

Posted: **2005-03-12 01:30pm**

VT-16 wrote:Saxton doesn´t write every single thing even in the books where he´s listed as author. There´s always a team of people and compromises to be made.

Aside from the fact that he is the author whose name is on the front, and thus the one responsible, the lack of cruisers and battleships in the canon has long been a gripe he's expressed on his page. I would indeed attribute the larger vessels mentioned in 2ICS to him.

And this whole "not liking numbers he might have found out" is Dark Star behaviour. Please spare this board that kind of fucktardery.

Interesting. You take the above as critism of Dr Saxton? I think he does rather well with a horrendously inconsistant and unrealistic body of material. Are you either unable to comprehend, or just plain argumentative? I don't dispute the numbers. I never have, and have used them in debate many times. I dispute the ludicrous inconsistancy of the Visual Effects of Star Wars, for example, ten terajoule blaster cannons raising little blasts of sand. The real effects of ten terajoules being dumped into sand would be massive vapourisation.

The vapourisation and fusion of silicon added together is if I recall correctly, around 13.23 MJ/kg for chrissakes. Several tons of sand should have been vapourised each time a geonosian shot hit it, were the VisFX guys doing their job.

Posted: **2005-03-12 02:08pm**

NecronLord wrote:Aside from the fact that he is the author whose name is on the front, and thus the one responsible, the lack of cruisers and battleships in the canon has long been a gripe he's expressed on his page. I would indeed attribute the larger vessels mentioned in 2ICS to him.

Fine. But I wouldn´t be surprised if he simply named ships that were already seen in canon, many of which are larger than the common ISD. But I do believe he mentioned even the books he´s credited as the author of, as a team-effort.

Interesting. You take the above as critism of Dr Saxton? I think he does rather well with a horrendously inconsistant and unrealistic body of material. Are you either unable to comprehend, or just plain argumentative? I don't dispute the numbers. I never have, and have used them in debate many times.

It just looked like you were taking potshots at him for coming up with values and figures that seem strange, based on what is seen in canonical battles. Sorry if that wasn´t the case.

I dispute the ludicrous inconsistancy of the Visual Effects of Star Wars, for example, ten terajoule blaster cannons raising little blasts of sand. The real effects of ten terajoules being dumped into sand would be massive vapourisation.

Hehe, that is true.

Posted: **2005-03-12 02:12pm**

Both of them are meant to maintain verisimiltude when describing the technical effects of the weapons of a civilisation that can build the Death Star. The Lucasfilm VisFX people regularly fail in doing so.

Posted: **2005-03-12 02:56pm**

I think a good explanation for not seeing full power effects is ammo/power storage. We know the SPHA-T is capable of TL level firepower, but Saxton mentions the limitations on it are the power storage. When either side needed to take out "heavy" targets they could. Vapourizing a column of their troops while taking out yours isn't exactly tactically sound. The LAATs used sweeping beams for precision area damage not rockets when in close range to friendlies, that should tell you something.

Posted: **2005-03-12 03:19pm**

Well, the thing is, they were firing on the enemy persuing their Lord. Not a time to start dialing down the power to 0.01%.

Posted: **2005-03-13 02:34am**

Here's some new spoilers from MF.com. GREAT Vader lines here.

SAN HILL
Welcome, Lord Vader! On behalf of the leadership of the Confederacy of Independent Systems, let me be the first to...

VADER
Very well. You will be the first.

VADER removes his hood and ignites his saber.

SAN HILL
You're Anakin Skywalker!

VADER digs his saber into the chest of SAN HILL.

VADER
The resemblance is deceptive.

--------------------------------------------

SHU MAI
We were promised a reward...a handsome reward!

VADER
I am your reward. You don't find me handsome?

--------------------------------------------
RUNE HAAKO
Stop! Enough! We surrender, do you understand? You can't just kill us!

VADER
Can't I?

RUNE HAAKO
We're unarmed! We surrender! Please, please, you're a Jedi!

VADER
You fought a war to destroy the Jedi.

VADER slashes RUNE HAAKO.

VADER (cont.)
Congratulations on your success.

Posted: **2005-03-13 02:36am**

For the next spoilers BE WARNED these concern the end of the duel and Anakin's firey fate.

EPISODE III TERNIAN REPORT: The Duel :: Part I

March 12 2005

Part I of II

Obi-Wan dives into a forward roll that ends up with him on the rim of a low cliff, just above the soft black sand of a lava riverbank.

Anakin snarls at Obi-Wan, realising he has been tricked. He leaps off his droid at Obi-Wan's back but is half a second too slow.

Obi-Wan whirls to parry Anakin, but his saber doesn't meet Anakin's blade. Instead, he slices off Anakin's leg at the knee. Then he slices of the other leg at the knee. And while Anakin is still in the air, Obi-Wan uses his blade to slice off Anakin's left arm above the elbow. He steps back as Anakin falls.

Anakin drops his lightsaber, clawing at the edge of the cliff with his mechanical hand, but his grip becomes too powerful for the lava bank and the edge crumbles, and he slides down onto the black sand.

His severed legs and his severed arm rolls into the lava below him and immediately burns.

Anakin claws at the soft black sand, but his struggling only makes him slip farther. The sand itself is hot; digging his mechanical arm into it burns off his glove, and his robes begin to smolder.

Obi-Wan picks up Anakin's lightsaber. He lifts his own as well and weighs them in his hands. Anakin had based his design upon Obi-Wan's and thus they appear very similar.

Posted: **2005-03-13 06:43am**

I think it's a touch too much of Anakin getting punked, but will have to see. A lucky strike is better than a goofy fall. One thing I would like to see confirmed, is Nick Gillard says Anakin is better but is weak on a slope, I always thought that would be part of his downfall, not an oops sabre de-legging.

Posted: **2005-03-13 06:56am**

President Sharky wrote:Here's some new spoilers from MF.com. GREAT Vader lines here.

Is that from a reputable source? Some of those lines seem a little... off.

Posted: **2005-03-13 07:07am**

Most likely Ternian got hold of the novelization script.

Posted: **2005-03-13 09:22am**

I like those lines, they're pure Vader:

"We would be honoured if you would join us."

"Perhaps you think you're being treated ... unfairly?"

"I find your lack of faith disturbing ..."

"Don't fail me again ... Admiral" (ie. remember what happened to Ozzel)

The sarcasm and veiled threats ... ahhh, gives me the willies.

As for the lightsabre fight account- erm, Anakin's lightsabre looks nothing like Obi-Wan's and never did.

Posted: **2005-03-13 10:26am**

Vympel wrote:As for the lightsabre fight account- erm, Anakin's lightsabre looks nothing like Obi-Wan's and never did.

Didn't he loose his last one in AotC? If so, he could have built one in RotS, and another before ANH.

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