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Before TPM, Palpatine wasn't a Sith either.

My head fanon used to believe that Vader was the lord of the Sith and that any Sith knights/acolytes/warriors that were running around the galaxy were doing HIS bidding, not the Emperor's (very much like the Inquisitors from SWR, actually).

Galvatron wrote: Is that not what we got? From what I can tell, the galaxy enjoyed an era of uninterrupted peace since the Battle of Jakku. I'd say that allowed the protagonists to enjoy the fruits of their labor far more than the old EU did.

It's more like a Cold War with half the Galaxy being controlled by an Imperial remnant that uses child-soldiers. Also, the Jedi order is wiped out again. If seeing the Jedi order constantly being wiped out is what they think makes the Star Wars galaxy interesting, I don't want to follow any new stuff set post-ROTJ.

Well, even George Lucas said that the Star Wars story is really "The Tragedy of Darth Vader." Any meaningful sequel should involve a continuation of the Skywalker family saga and therefore be heavily influenced by Vader's legacy, which is obviously why they made Kylo Ren a disciple of his Sith Lord grandfather.

A full-scale invasion from an extragalactic Force-immune alien species isn't necessarily a bad idea, but it shouldn't be the focus of the story. It would make a decent enough backdrop though, just like the Clone Wars and Galactic Civil War were.

You can have that without making the Dark Siderrs a resurrgent threat. A story centered on the grandson or granddaughter of Vader alone, even if they did not fell to the Darkside is a story about the Skywaller saga.

ray245 wrote:If seeing the Jedi order constantly being wiped out is what they think makes the Star Wars galaxy interesting, I don't want to follow any new stuff set post-ROTJ.

Unless the Jedi are seriously diminished or imperiled, there won't be much of a story to tell. after all, the Order maintained peace throughout the galaxy for ~24,000 years before the Sith briefly conquered it. It seems to me that the Jedi are practically invincible unless their opponents are powerful darksiders.

Galvatron wrote:

ray245 wrote:If seeing the Jedi order constantly being wiped out is what they think makes the Star Wars galaxy interesting, I don't want to follow any new stuff set post-ROTJ.

Unless the Jedi are seriously diminished or imperiled, there won't be much of a story to tell. after all, the Order maintained peace throughout the galaxy for ~24,000 years before the Sith briefly conquered it. It seems to me that the Jedi are practically invincible unless their opponents are powerful darksiders.

Jedi were killed even though the Sith were in hiding for a thousand years. A more personalized conflict than still be epic in scale and a danger to the protagonist.

I disagreed with the old EU approach of trying to one-up each other by having a new evil Sith Lord or Imperial commander attacking the Republic every 2-3 years. Episode I, despite it flaws, show us that a epic Star Wars movie can be made, even if the actual conflict is fairly limited. Set the story in the unknown region or something, where the local forces are weak and sparse in comparison to the bad guy's forces.

There is a massive lack of creativity in the people writing stories post ROTJ in both the old EU and the new films.

ray245 wrote:Episode I, despite it flaws, show us that a epic Star Wars movie can be made, even if the actual conflict is fairly limited.

That's right, I forgot: you think the prequels were actually good movies.

Galvatron wrote:Before TPM, Palpatine wasn't a Sith either.

My head fanon used to believe that Vader was the lord of the Sith and that any Sith knights/acolytes/warriors that were running around the galaxy were doing HIS bidding, not the Emperor's (very much like the Inquisitors from SWR, actually).

Before TPM, did the term "Sith" even exist? Its never used in the OT.

However, Palpatine was clearly established as being a creature of the same kind as Vader- a powerful user of the Dark Side of the Force, and evidently Vader's superior in that field.

"Sith" was written in the ANH script, but never mentioned in the OT movies.

The awesome, seven-foot-tall Dark Lord of the Sith makes his way into the blinding light of the main passageway. This is Darth Vader, right hand of the Emperor.

Galvatron wrote:

ray245 wrote:Episode I, despite it flaws, show us that a epic Star Wars movie can be made, even if the actual conflict is fairly limited.

That's right, I forgot: you think the prequels were actually good movies.

Even if they were problematic, it is stupid to dismiss everything they had to offer. I don't need to jump upon the bandwagon of hating the preuqels, to the extent of wanting a movie that is a carbon copy of ANH.

You don't need to hate the prequels (E3 wasn't half bad) to admit that the ANH copy that was TFA was hopelessly more Star Wars than the entire Prequel trilogy.

Batman wrote:You don't need to hate the prequels (E3 wasn't half bad) to admit that the ANH copy that was TFA was hopelessly more Star Wars than the entire Prequel trilogy.

That is if your definition of Star Wars is limited to the OT only.

Yes and no. The Thrawn books, the original Han and Lando trilogies, the games parked in that era, yes, they are the REAL Star Wars to me because they have the OT crowd. The PT is just SciFi that happens to take place in the Wars universe.
TCW/Rebels, however, DID manage to be Wars in a way the prequels (possibly excepting Ep III) never did.

ray245 wrote:

Galvatron wrote:

ray245 wrote:If seeing the Jedi order constantly being wiped out is what they think makes the Star Wars galaxy interesting, I don't want to follow any new stuff set post-ROTJ.

Unless the Jedi are seriously diminished or imperiled, there won't be much of a story to tell. after all, the Order maintained peace throughout the galaxy for ~24,000 years before the Sith briefly conquered it. It seems to me that the Jedi are practically invincible unless their opponents are powerful darksiders.

Jedi were killed even though the Sith were in hiding for a thousand years. A more personalized conflict than still be epic in scale and a danger to the protagonist.

I disagreed with the old EU approach of trying to one-up each other by having a new evil Sith Lord or Imperial commander attacking the Republic every 2-3 years. Episode I, despite it flaws, show us that a epic Star Wars movie can be made, even if the actual conflict is fairly limited. Set the story in the unknown region or something, where the local forces are weak and sparse in comparison to the bad guy's forces.

There is a massive lack of creativity in the people writing stories post ROTJ in both the old EU and the new films.

Fortunately, we have the "Star Wars Story" standalone films to give us exactly these more personalized, smaller scale stories you want.

But that's not what the Saga Movies (Episodes I-IX) are about.

Anyway, why are we bitching about TFA in the Rebels thread? People need to let that shit go already. Or at the very least not bring it up in completely unrelated threads. Go resurrect the TFA complaints thread and/or make one if PSW never had that.

Batman wrote:Yes and no. The Thrawn books, the original Han and Lando trilogies, the games parked in that era, yes, they are the REAL Star Wars to me because they have the OT crowd. The PT is just SciFi that happens to take place in the Wars universe.
TCW/Rebels, however, DID manage to be Wars in a way the prequels (possibly excepting Ep III) never did.

I grew up with the prequels, so I will always think of them as a part of Star Wars. Generation gap shouldn't be a reason to limit your view of Star Wars.

Fortunately, we have the "Star Wars Story" standalone films to give us exactly these more personalized, smaller scale stories you want.

But that's not what the Saga Movies (Episodes I-IX) are about.

Anyway, why are we bitching about TFA in the Rebels thread? People need to let that shit go already. Or at the very least not bring it up in completely unrelated threads. Go resurrect the TFA complaints thread and/or make one if PSW never had that.

The whole thing spiraled because I was hoping the Thrawn trilogy would be adapted and modified to suit the new sequel trilogy.

Batman wrote:TCW/Rebels, however, DID manage to be Wars in a way the prequels (possibly excepting Ep III) never did.

Indeed. Funny that, huh?

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRAOcRBDr-A[/youtube]

A few notes...

You know how the AT-AT has that huge vulnerability with its height and enemies who can get up close beneath them can wreck their shit, like the AT-TE did last season? Well, the Empire has learned their lesson and doesn't seem keen to repeat it:

Also ties in nicely with the ESB: SE where they added the AT-STs to the Imperial formation.

Next up, a combined fleet with multiple ISDs and light cruisers, upping the scale of fleet actions (appropriate, given Thrawn's involvement):


Finally, we all noticed the red markings on the TIE interceptor back during Celebration, but how about that kill count this pilot has?

Remind you of anybody?

Soontir Fel! You've come back to canon! How we've missed you.

RogueIce wrote:You know how the AT-AT has that huge vulnerability with its height and enemies who can get up close beneath them can wreck their shit, like the AT-TE did last season? Well, the Empire has learned their lesson and doesn't seem keen to repeat it:

Also ties in nicely with the ESB: SE where they added the AT-STs to the Imperial formation.

Those two-legged walkers aren't AT-STs. They are AT-DPs or AT-ARs.

Have they actually used the classical AT-ST design in the show? I can't really remember.

No, they haven't. He was talking about it reminding him of the AT-STs added into the Battle of Hoth in the ESB special edition, though, not anything that happened in the show.

Rogue 9 wrote:No, they haven't. He was talking about it reminding him of the AT-STs added into the Battle of Hoth in the ESB special edition, though, not anything that happened in the show.

Exactly. I know the difference between AT-STs and what Rebels is using.

Anyway having those smaller walkers work alongside AT-ATs is the old rationale for making up the obvious weakness of the larger walkers and enemies getting underneath them, sort of like dismounted infantry for tanks IRL. So it's good to see the show going that route.

It'd also be nice if they can get away from as much of the bumbling incompetence of before - the Empire stayed in control of the galaxy for a little over two decades, after all! - but between Thrawn and the not!181st TIE wrecking a Rebel squadron with contemptuous ease, I feel like we're going to get more of that. Which is nice, making the villains much more credible than the joke-troopers on Lothal ever were.

One gets the sense that Lothal, being something of a backwater, wasn't exactly garrisoned by the Empire's finest.

HU

Lars mikkelsen might be the perfect voice actor for Thrawn tbh.

Yeah
Nothing evil about THAT, eh??

I like where this is going.
Good, good...

Rogue 9 wrote:No, they haven't. He was talking about it reminding him of the AT-STs added into the Battle of Hoth in the ESB special edition, though, not anything that happened in the show.

There was always at least one AT-ST on Hoth in the original theatrical release. The special edition just made it more obvious and added more.

Its nice to see the AT-DPs pictured in a similar role. The full trailer for season 3 certainly worked at getting me eager to see where the story is headed.

If you had told me after the first few episodes of Rebels that Grand Admiral Thrawn was going to show up, I probably would have been horrified. Now after two seasons I think it looks like it's going to be awesome. It really is quite impressive how well Rebels has developed since those first few episodes.