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Hutt deleted what I guess was a large number of sockpuppet-related posts, and who knows what else. Most of what is left deals with arguing Saxton's assumption of 1 BDZ 1 SD 1 Hour and the definition of BDZ itself, ignoring the canon definition in AotC ICS (liquified surface or simple destruction of all surface assets?) which is really right where we started. After a few way too longwinded and ignorant posts from Novastar, I can barely manage to care anymore. Anyway, the topic seems to have died.

McEwok came along.

Stas Bush wrote:McEwok came along.

Would someone please... please find some way to shut that irritating bugger or something? His mere existence is an irritant akin to the time when Henry II said of the archbishop of Canterbury: "Will no one revenge me of the injuries I have sustained from one turbulent priest?".

He's funny. Like a court jester of sorts.

Stas Bush wrote:He's funny. Like a court jester of sorts.

Unfortunately, its not intentional. He expects people to take his idiocy seriously.

Great, the great 'Super'-class Star Destroyer-tard himself has taken to time to ruin the thread that got me banned...

General Schatten wrote: Are you asking who Sarli is, because I gave a brief outline of who he is and what importance he is to Star Wars canon his stuff serves.

I meant: who is claiming to be an engineer?

Stas Bush wrote:He's funny. Like a court jester of sorts.

Isn't he the freak who jerks off to wookiees?

Master of Ossus wrote:Here's another gem: some moron over on that board apparently thinks that the ISD's reactor is wasteful and inefficient because... the ship doesn't need that much power except while it's in combat. What a backasswards way of looking at the thing. I guess he believes that the purpose of the reactor is to make sure the crew stays comfortable and not to deliver power to the guns and engines.

This guy Elfdart. I'm not sure who made this dipshit comment but I know it was the same guy who claimed later he WAS an engineer. Page 6.

SirNitram wrote:*Picks up Tyrants where he has a writing credit*

Oh. Look. One of the three editors. This doesn't surprise me that a total, asinine twit is an editor of this book; there's been endless grumblings around that alot of good stuff was made for it and got cut by an editor.

As for Power? You cannot find a more glaring representation of an editor not bothering to proof-read work.

So. His 'writing credits' for D&D at least show him to be an ass, and in need of a herring to the face.

Oh, he edited them? That explains why I didn't recognise him, then.


glass.

Damn it....... Does anyone know whether Wizards has a resend activation or something? It been 2 days, and they still haven't sent me an email to activate my account.

I can't find anything on the user control panel either.......

One thing SWTC overlooks is this: to complete the bombardment of an Earth-sized world in a 24-hour period would require a continuous rate of fire affecting nearly six thousand square kilometers every second.

Now, can an ISD do that?

A lesser warship set off a firestorm visible from space with 3 turbolaser shots at Bothawui. For comparison, the Java and Sumatra fires that created haze conditions along Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore back in 1998 wasn't.

Knight Hammer at Yavin IV? Vapourised entire strips of jungle, VISIBLE from space. Let's not forget that Daala could see smoke rising, again from space.

3.) As well as Knight Hammer at Yavin, Lusankya takes four minutes to wipe out a Yuuzhan Vong armoured battlegroup on the surface of Borleias in Allston's duology.

Is this dipshit really crazy? Did he miss the entire point about Commander Davip complaining to Wedge about how his gunners couldn't achieve the precise gunnery required?

4.) The planned BDZ at Nar Shadda in The Hutt Gambit involves a surface landing: Han's POV is that "even droids were to be captured or destroyed." (my italics); and Soontir Fel reflects on what the operation would entail: "they'd have to send down shuttles and ground troops to mop up, and he, Fel, being a conscientious commander, would have to oversee that operation. Visions of smoking rubble strewn with blackened corpses filled his mind".

Right....... both who had never seen a BDZ occur before. Admiral Greelnax didn't even bother with bringing in troopships, neither did he create a plan to drop troops. This even though he bothered to deploy pickets to pick off stragglers.

And this dipshit needs to be reminded of Jedi Academy Trilogy, specifically, the parts where Daala and Tarkin both claims her star destroyers could turn any world to SLAG.

PainRack wrote:Damn it....... Does anyone know whether Wizards has a resend activation or something? It been 2 days, and they still haven't sent me an email to activate my account.

I can't find anything on the user control panel either.......

I believe they do.

Some dumbass wrote:As to weapons being scalable. . . says who? There's no stats in the RPG saying that you can have your turbolaser do between 1d10 and 5d10x5 damage. The ONLY instance of scaled firepower we see is in ESB, when General Veers says "Target, maximum firepower" and we see the AT-AT fire off a pair of more intense bolts the normal. Nowhere else is there any evidence, to my knowledge, to suggest the tuning of laser firepower in Star Wars. Simply because it happened once doesn't mean anything. . . despite Captain Needa's assertation that "No ship that small has a cloaking device" no larger ones do, either.

So...because the roleplaying game only gives each weapon a single damage rating in game, SW weapons don't have power settings? Even though he even brings up an example of power settings himself? What, does he think AT-AT cannons are special or something?

I guess Leia must be a mutant then, seeing as how blaster rifles which can punch baseball-sized holes in walls (TESB) couldn't take her arm off (ROTJ), glancing shot or not.

I guess Leia must be a mutant then

A similar blaster shot ripped a Super Battle Droid's hand off entierly in E2. Leia must be made of tougher materials.

glass wrote:Oh, he edited them? That explains why I didn't recognise him, then.


glass.

Yep. I'd be willing to bet he only edited his SW RPG stuff. So this guy's position in the canon is 'Guy who co-edited two RPG books that are probably contradicted on all relevent points by higher sources'.

Stas Bush wrote:

I guess Leia must be a mutant then

A similar blaster shot ripped a Super Battle Droid's hand off entierly in E2. Leia must be made of tougher materials.

Well, I believe there's a picture that shows that the blaster rifle didn't even hit her, it hit the wall REALLY close to where her arm was, so it just barely missed. The picture looked like they took the before picture and transposed it, someone posted it in a thread lately, I believe.

SirNitram wrote:Yep. I'd be willing to bet he only edited his SW RPG stuff. So this guy's position in the canon is 'Guy who co-edited two RPG books that are probably contradicted on all relevent points by higher sources'.

Actually, I'm pretty sure he's in charge of planet hoppers and he's definately in charge of Jedi Counseling which is errata, such as how much a Droid or Starship costs, I believe he was also in charge of the Revenge of the Sith stuff that was put up online, I'll check though.
Edit: No, he wasn't in charge of Planet Hopper's but I definately checked and he is in charge of the RotS Stats for things, such as speed for ships and vehicles.

Jim Raynor wrote:

Some dumbass wrote:As to weapons being scalable. . . says who? There's no stats in the RPG saying that you can have your turbolaser do between 1d10 and 5d10x5 damage.

So...because the roleplaying game only gives each weapon a single damage rating in game, SW weapons don't have power settings?

The fun part is that those same damage ratings very strongly indicate the firepower TO be scalable, otherwise you wouldn't HAVE 1D10 damage. You would have anything from 1 to 10 pts of damage but it would ALWAYS be the same unless *gasp* the firepower is variable.
And where was it that game mechanics reside on the official canon totem pole again, anyway?

Jim Raynor wrote:

Some dumbass wrote:As to weapons being scalable. . . says who? There's no stats in the RPG saying that you can have your turbolaser do between 1d10 and 5d10x5 damage. The ONLY instance of scaled firepower we see is in ESB, when General Veers says "Target, maximum firepower" and we see the AT-AT fire off a pair of more intense bolts the normal. Nowhere else is there any evidence, to my knowledge, to suggest the tuning of laser firepower in Star Wars. Simply because it happened once doesn't mean anything. . . despite Captain Needa's assertation that "No ship that small has a cloaking device" no larger ones do, either.

So...because the roleplaying game only gives each weapon a single damage rating in game, SW weapons don't have power settings? Even though he even brings up an example of power settings himself? What, does he think AT-AT cannons are special or something?

I guess Leia must be a mutant then, seeing as how blaster rifles which can punch baseball-sized holes in walls (TESB) couldn't take her arm off (ROTJ), glancing shot or not.

We know the DS superlaser was scalable, and that was confirmed by the EU. We know hand blasters have variable yields/settings (WEG's Star Wars sourcebook and the Star Wars Technical Journal) There were also the "splinter shot" settings (which were adjustable) in the NJO. And I believe Darksaber makes mention of weapons settings at "maximum". So whoever said that is lying.

And even if it weren't true, game mechanics/stats aren't considered canon (Chee made that poitn explicitly clear, as I recall.)

PainRack wrote:

One thing SWTC overlooks is this: to complete the bombardment of an Earth-sized world in a 24-hour period would require a continuous rate of fire affecting nearly six thousand square kilometers every second.

Now, can an ISD do that?

A lesser warship set off a firestorm visible from space with 3 turbolaser shots at Bothawui. For comparison, the Java and Sumatra fires that created haze conditions along Malaysia, Thailand and Singapore back in 1998 wasn't.

Knight Hammer at Yavin IV? Vapourised entire strips of jungle, VISIBLE from space. Let's not forget that Daala could see smoke rising, again from space.

He's also ignoring this nice tidbit (its on SWTC's under the BDZ page)

These colossal, wedge-shaped behemoths, bristling with turboweapons and carrying entire TIE squadrons within them, each possess more firepower than the entire planetary forces of most worlds, and can reduce a planet surface to smoking debris in a matter of hours.
Star Wars Technical Journal, vol.2, p.17

galaxy guide 5 page 51 specifies that the Executor has enough firepower to reduce a planet to slag "within a few hours". According to BTM, the old 5 mile Exeuctor (same one described in GG5) was 5x more powerful than an ISD. So logically a single ISD should be able to slag a planet in 10-15 hours (less than a day.)

The retarded bit about that logic is that the ISD would have to drely on primary destructive mechanisms alone to affect the surface of the planet or wipe out all life (which is stupid, because asteroids can do it without bombarding every square inch of the planet.) Global firestorms, ejecta, seismic effects and air blast will also contribute greatly to destructive effects.

3.) As well as Knight Hammer at Yavin, Lusankya takes four minutes to wipe out a Yuuzhan Vong armoured battlegroup on the surface of Borleias in Allston's duology.

Is this dipshit really crazy? Did he miss the entire point about Commander Davip complaining to Wedge about how his gunners couldn't achieve the precise gunnery required?

The Knight Hammer is a commonly mentioned (and misrepresented) example: Daala wasn't trying to wipe out the planet (ie the landed Imperial trtoops on planet.) If she was simply interested in wiping out all life, she would have done so from the beginning.

Borleias is also a red herring, since that wasn't a "render the planet unintabitable" scenario either - that was a standard bit of orbital bombardment (and required precision bombardment and limited firepower to prevent from harming their own people/base!)

4.) The planned BDZ at Nar Shadda in The Hutt Gambit involves a surface landing: Han's POV is that "even droids were to be captured or destroyed." (my italics); and Soontir Fel reflects on what the operation would entail: "they'd have to send down shuttles and ground troops to mop up, and he, Fel, being a conscientious commander, would have to oversee that operation. Visions of smoking rubble strewn with blackened corpses filled his mind".

Right....... both who had never seen a BDZ occur before. Admiral Greelnax didn't even bother with bringing in troopships, neither did he create a plan to drop troops. This even though he bothered to deploy pickets to pick off stragglers.

The Essential and New Essential Chronologies specifies;

"Suddenly scrutiny from the Empire brought al normal life on Nar Shaddaa to a screeching halt. Moff Sarn Shild proclaimed the Hutts' lawless territory would benefit greatly from stricter Imperial control. As a public-relations stunt, Shild was authorized to blockade Nal Hutta and turn the smuggler's moon into molten slag."- Essential Chronology p29.

Wow, sounds familiar.

And this dipshit needs to be reminded of Jedi Academy Trilogy, specifically, the parts where Daala and Tarkin both claims her star destroyers could turn any world to SLAG.

There's a ton of quotes like that (Mike covers a bunch of them in his Lord Edam debate) but I doubt it would matter. Sarli really isn't interested in a straightforward or honest debate over evidence or interpretation thereof, he's just looking to badmouth and discredit Curtis's work by pretending its contradictory (and relying on the scientific/intellectual dishonesty/laziness of others to mask the fact his claims are bullshit.) Much the same sorts of tactics Scooter or McEwok use, really.

Oh My Fucking God! They're actually using Scooter as an example of why the Deathstar causes a chain-reaction in the argument.

General Schatten wrote:Oh My Fucking God! They're actually using Scooter as an example of why the Deathstar causes a chain-reaction in the argument.

That brings an Obi-Wan-quote about fools to mind ...

So turbolasers are now chain-reaction-causing weapons ...

General Schatten wrote:Oh My Fucking God! They're actually using Scooter as an example of why the Deathstar causes a chain-reaction in the argument.

Yeah, the kiddies are fun over there.

General Schatten wrote:Oh My Fucking God! They're actually using Scooter as an example of why the Deathstar causes a chain-reaction in the argument.

A chain-reaction which they can use to destroy Alderaan, but which they couldn't possibly harness as a way to generate power.

One thing SWTC overlooks is this: to complete the bombardment of an Earth-sized world in a 24-hour period would require a continuous rate of fire affecting nearly six thousand square kilometers every second.

Now, can an ISD do that?

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a prime example of the "appeal to incredulity" so favored by creationist and intelligent design advocates. To see why, let's play the replace-the-word game:

"One thing evolutionism overlooks is this: to create a human DNA, evolution has to arrange over three billion nucleotides in precise order with little-to-no error. That's a nucleotide for every pair of people in the world.

Now, can evolution do that?"

Instead of going, "Wow! Isn't it really neat that evolution/an ISD can do that?", they say, "I can't believe the numbers. There's no way evolution/an ISD can do that!"

I love that debate.

A: "Show canon evidence that the Death Star destroyed planet without the energy necessary!!!"

B: "Well, look at this DArkStar PAGE!!! It's frigen good explanation!!!"

A: "I said CANON evidence, idiot".