Civil War #7 - Spoilers

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2007-03-03 07:17pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:For those of us who haven't kept up with Iron Man, what the hell is this extremis they're talking about?
A weird virus/nanotech thing he used on himself at the beginning of his current series. Increased his reaction times, let him interface with his armour (and any other technology) directly with his mind and gave him a minor healing factor.

Sounds like he ripped off Jake 2.0.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-03-03 07:19pm

She just means the next logical stage in development (as viewed by her) since I very much doubt she thinks we are going to naturally gain the power to interface our minds with computers (or rather our Children's children's etc would).

There is no Voyager like million years (and generations) of natural selection at the flick of a button being suggested.

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2007-03-03 07:22pm

Manus Celer Dei wrote: A weird virus/nanotech thing he used on himself at the beginning of his current series. Increased his reaction times, let him interface with his armour (and any other technology) directly with his mind and gave him a minor healing factor.

Also worth mentioning is that it inspired paranoia and aggressive behaviour in lab animals exposed to it (and the only other human exposed went on a killing spree to crush the imagined conspiratorial federal government).

Post by **Steve** » 2007-03-04 02:34am

Sriad wrote: I wonder though, are there any Right-wing comic fan web boards out there where they think this all ended the right way?

.......why would they?

I mean, why would conservatives like it if the Federal Government used a UN police body to enforce US Law, forced US citizens to sign up to serve in it, and also reserved the right to recruit and employ superhuman police agents to the Federal Government only, effectively forbidding the States from operating their own superhuman police teams?

I don't know what section of Idiot-Land is the one filled with people who think that right-wing means evil goose-stepping fascists who want to crush gay people and atheists under their boots with the Power of Christ and force us all to obey the Bible on pain of death while letting mega-powerful companies rape the Mother Earth for oil (is it next to the section filled with people who think that left-wing means evil Communist American-hating atheists who want to shit on crosses and burn the American flag and force us all to live on collective farms under the enlightened rule of the UN?), but would you please leave it and come back to Reason-Land, where people use their brains for something other than skull-weights and realize that political ideology and policy is not determined by a simple left-right axis and that there are conservatives and liberals who value following the Constitution, were pro-Cap, and are pissed off with the outcome to "Civil War" because it was so fucking stupid and offensive?

18-Till-I-Die · Post by **18-Till-I-Die** » 2007-03-04 03:10am

Yes because...the Right has always been a bastion of civil liberties and equal rights. Especially for gays, minorities, women and such. You need only look at any Fox News broadcast to see a stunning example of Rightist philanthropic idealism. Yep.

Sunstreaker · Post by **Sunstreaker** » 2007-03-04 03:27am

Steve wrote:
Sriad wrote: I wonder though, are there any Right-wing comic fan web boards out there where they think this all ended the right way?

.......why would they?

I mean, why would conservatives like it if the Federal Government used a UN police body to enforce US Law, forced US citizens to sign up to serve in it, and also reserved the right to recruit and employ superhuman police agents to the Federal Government only, effectively forbidding the States from operating their own superhuman police teams?

I don't know what section of Idiot-Land is the one filled with people who think that right-wing means evil goose-stepping fascists who want to crush gay people and atheists under their boots with the Power of Christ and force us all to obey the Bible on pain of death while letting mega-powerful companies rape the Mother Earth for oil (is it next to the section filled with people who think that left-wing means evil Communist American-hating atheists who want to shit on crosses and burn the American flag and force us all to live on collective farms under the enlightened rule of the UN?), but would you please leave it and come back to Reason-Land, where people use their brains for something other than skull-weights and realize that political ideology and policy is not determined by a simple left-right axis and that there are conservatives and liberals who value following the Constitution, were pro-Cap, and are pissed off with the outcome to "Civil War" because it was so fucking stupid and offensive?

To answer your sudo-retorical question, I've found a site: Seibertron.com. Here's the link to the specific forum topic: ++http://www.seibertron.com/forums/viewto ... art=0&sid=++

I’m “God Sunstreaker” over there. Anyway, enjoy.

Oh, yeah, and I didn't like how the comic ended.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2007-03-04 05:13am

Incidentally, Sunstreaker, if I may quote/respond to the comment (by you) that you yourself quoted in that link...

The America he wanted to protect didn’t exist anymore.

Which I found interestingly to be the point of Sally's response to Cap's jailhouse talk -- and unlike the last one, which to be fair was a bit of an ambush of the still-on-the-run Cap, this one made more sense (albeit by being more targeted).

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2007-03-04 07:33am

Steve wrote:
Sriad wrote: I wonder though, are there any Right-wing comic fan web boards out there where they think this all ended the right way?

.......why would they?

I mean, why would conservatives like it if the Federal Government used a UN police body to enforce US Law, forced US citizens to sign up to serve in it, and also reserved the right to recruit and employ superhuman police agents to the Federal Government only, effectively forbidding the States from operating their own superhuman police teams?

I don't know what section of Idiot-Land is the one filled with people who think that right-wing means evil goose-stepping fascists who want to crush gay people and atheists under their boots with the Power of Christ and force us all to obey the Bible on pain of death while letting mega-powerful companies rape the Mother Earth for oil (is it next to the section filled with people who think that left-wing means evil Communist American-hating atheists who want to shit on crosses and burn the American flag and force us all to live on collective farms under the enlightened rule of the UN?), but would you please leave it and come back to Reason-Land, where people use their brains for something other than skull-weights and realize that political ideology and policy is not determined by a simple left-right axis and that there are conservatives and liberals who value following the Constitution, were pro-Cap, and are pissed off with the outcome to "Civil War" because it was so fucking stupid and offensive?

You're totally right. I missed the part of my post where I said all conservatives love fascism.

No wait, I missed that part of my post because it DOESN'T EXIST. Thank you for flying off the handle and assuming I hate all people who are unlike me based on a single rhetorical line of text speculating on hypothetical people's response to a comic book.

Putz.

Post by **Steve** » 2007-03-04 09:15am

Sriad wrote: You're totally right. I missed the part of my post where I said all conservatives love fascism.

No wait, I missed that part of my post because it DOESN'T EXIST. Thank you for flying off the handle and assuming I hate all people who are unlike me based on a single rhetorical line of text speculating on hypothetical people's response to a comic book.

Putz.

Oh yes, sorry, you didn't actually say that in words. You asked specifically if there were right-wing boards discussing the comics and presupposed a response, as if they might be predisposed to thinking this ended "the right way".

I'm sorry that I might have taken your comments a step too far by inferring something that you might not have meant but which, going by your phraseology or perhaps by the fact that it occurred to you to link the two things in the first place, you most likely do at least think?

Yup. I'm very sorry I have an itchy trigger finger.

Yes because...the Right has always been a bastion of civil liberties and equal rights. Especially for gays, minorities, women and such. You need only look at any Fox News broadcast to see a stunning example of Rightist philanthropic idealism. Yep.

Which wasn't what I said. I asked if it was to be pre-supposed that the right-wing support the SHRA when it has led to things that are rather contrary to the principles of most American Rightists, like allowing a UN police body to enforce US law or allowing the Federal Government to expand it's powers at the expense of individual States (which, while the current Republicans in power have no problem doing so they can keep the electorate and special interests bribed with pork, is generally contrary to most conservatives who favor limiting federal power).

I won't argue that the Right is a bastion of civil liberties because, quite frankly, I think government itself tends to work against liberty because by it's nature it accumulates power until it is barred somehow, and those seeking government are tempted to use power to silence and otherwise oppress groups they don't like? (Hell, the public do the same thing. How many State bans on homosexual marriage were passed by democratic vote?) Hence the need for a Bill of Rights that, even with it being part of the very legal foundation of our government, has been ignored or violated enough times in our history to demonstrate the reason for my views of government and of Power in general.

Post by **Steve** » 2007-03-04 09:17am

Gah, punctuation typo. *smacks head on keyboard* Last paragraph, first sentence was supposed to have a period, not a Q-mark.

Sriad · Post by **Sriad** » 2007-03-04 05:10pm

Steve wrote:
Sriad wrote: You're totally right. I missed the part of my post where I said all conservatives love fascism.

No wait, I missed that part of my post because it DOESN'T EXIST. Thank you for flying off the handle and assuming I hate all people who are unlike me based on a single rhetorical line of text speculating on hypothetical people's response to a comic book.

Putz.
Oh yes, sorry, you didn't actually say that in words. You asked specifically if there were right-wing boards discussing the comics and presupposed a response, as if they might be predisposed to thinking this ended "the right way".

I'm sorry that I might have taken your comments a step too far by inferring something that you might not have meant but which, going by your phraseology or perhaps by the fact that it occurred to you to link the two things in the first place, you most likely do at least think?

Yup. I'm very sorry I have an itchy trigger finger.

A very creative inference. Apparently there's a place in Steveland where

"are there any Right-wing comic fan web boards out there where they think this all ended the right way?"
=
"right-wing means evil goose-stepping fascists who want to crush gay people and atheists under their boots with the Power of Christ and force us all to obey the Bible on pain of death while letting mega-powerful companies rape the Mother Earth for oil."

I suppose it must be next to the place where questions are statements and some=all.

GuppyShark · Post by **GuppyShark** » 2007-03-04 07:15pm

I wonder though, are there any Left-wing comic fan web boards out there where they think this all ended the right way?

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2007-03-04 07:22pm

I can't see how anyone thinks Civil War ended in a way that wasn't completely asinine.

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-03-05 02:26am

As a whole, I liked Civil War. My only complaint is that Cap seems extremely out of character right at the end, in the last few pages of Civil War #7 and during Front Line #11.

The way Cap should have reacted when he realized how much damage was being caused was to order his men to take the immobilized Iron Man and unconscious Mr. Fantastic and teleported out of there, capturing the Secretary of Defense of the United States and the only guy that knows how to operate the whole 42 security system. Then Cap can retreat, cause no more damage, and he has the entire leadership of the pro-registration camp hostage.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2007-03-05 03:18am

Frontline #11 was.......a huge waste of paper.

The two reporters had a complete 180, from being shocked at Ironman's War Profiteering, what he's done to start a potential war with Atlantis, all of it.....

.....to say he was right and Captain America was wrong the entire time?

Incase they didn't get it, Iron Man and Captain were both forcing themselves towards the last big battle, it wasn't all just Captain America going "rawr, crush smash kill" and Tony sacrificing to make everything good. Stark was being a complete dick, was ultra heavyhanded, violated constitutional rights...hell, the asshole even actively recruited a army of some of the most dangerous supervillans in the USA to help him get the job done!

But yeah..he was right. Good job, your such a Hero Mr Stark. Don't beat yourself up for what you did.

Fuck you Millar....your a major fucking hack.

Sunstreaker · Post by **Sunstreaker** » 2007-03-05 11:34am

Edward Yee wrote:Incidentally, Sunstreaker, if I may quote/respond to the comment (by you) that you yourself quoted in that link...
The America he wanted to protect didn’t exist anymore.
Which I found interestingly to be the point of Sally's response to Cap's jailhouse talk -- and unlike the last one, which to be fair was a bit of an ambush of the still-on-the-run Cap, this one made more sense (albeit by being more targeted).

Hey dude, respond as much as you like.

Manus Celer Dei · Post by **Manus Celer Dei** » 2007-03-05 12:04pm

DarkSilver wrote:Frontline #11 was.......a huge waste of paper.

The two reporters had a complete 180, from being shocked at Ironman's War Profiteering, what he's done to start a potential war with Atlantis, all of it.....

.....to say he was right and Captain America was wrong the entire time?

Incase they didn't get it, Iron Man and Captain were both forcing themselves towards the last big battle, it wasn't all just Captain America going "rawr, crush smash kill" and Tony sacrificing to make everything good. Stark was being a complete dick, was ultra heavyhanded, violated constitutional rights...hell, the asshole even actively recruited a army of some of the most dangerous supervillans in the USA to help him get the job done!

But yeah..he was right. Good job, your such a Hero Mr Stark. Don't beat yourself up for what you did.

Fuck you Millar....your a major fucking hack.

Millar didn't write Frontline.

DarkSilver · Post by **DarkSilver** » 2007-03-05 05:00pm

I still blame the entire fucked up series on him.....

Except for Wolverine and X-men's Civil War Tie-ins. Those were actually pretty decent.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-03-05 07:47pm

I guess I have been reminded of why I stopped collecting marvel and most of DC.....

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2007-03-05 10:50pm

DarkSilver wrote:I still blame the entire fucked up series on him.....

Except for Wolverine and X-men's Civil War Tie-ins. Those were actually pretty decent.

Wolverine's were the worst of the lot. It implied that the entire war was started on purpose by 'teh 3v1l war profit33rs' at Damage Control to make money, and Wolverine just ran around killing people.

Not to mention Maria Hill being an utter retard and assuming that annulling his mutant powers would stop his claws too, and handcuffing him.

The only good part was watching the Sentry beat Wolverine up, but it begs the question, why didn't Sentry just knock out Captain America in the first ten seconds of the battle in Civil War #7 and end the whole fight?

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2007-03-05 11:32pm

GuppyShark wrote:I dislike the "Iron Prick" sig. Don't blame the victim.

Too bad; I'm not pulling the plug on the uploaded image unless Krauser gives the word...

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2007-03-06 03:57am

you know what this series would have worked perfectly, is if you had a pull out, shot of Mephisto laughing, and going on about how he loves it when his plans work perfectly.

Majin Gojira · Post by **Majin Gojira** » 2007-03-06 08:03am

DarkSilver wrote:I still blame the entire fucked up series on him.....

Except for Wolverine and X-men's Civil War Tie-ins. Those were actually pretty decent.

Nah. I'd go with Runaways/Young Avengers -- which was only aimaible in the story means, and suffered due to a bad Colorist (because the artist does/did good work on "Hack/Slash"), if only because fans of both teams have been waiting for it for so long, I was glad that it didn't serve as to big a dissapointment.

Though sometimes I wish that the next 'big event' would focus on this crop of young heroes that Marvel's got going (I'm saying it's "Generation 4" -- as you can track a 'generation' by X-Men classes (Original X-Men, New Mutants, Generation X and New X-Men, repectivly)).

It'd probably keep the cast down, too.

KrauserKrauser · Post by **KrauserKrauser** » 2007-03-06 08:41am

JME2 wrote:Too bad; I'm not pulling the plug on the uploaded image unless Krauser gives the word...

I like it too much and agree with the statement too much to get rid of it anytime soon.

Lord Zentei · Post by **Lord Zentei** » 2007-03-06 12:08pm

KrauserKrauser wrote:
JME2 wrote:Too bad; I'm not pulling the plug on the uploaded image unless Krauser gives the word...
I like it too much and agree with the statement too much to get rid of it anytime soon.

Bah, Iron Man is awesome.

Who wants to support the wussy hippie wanker? I mean, seriously.

And he has a butler.