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That would make one of my friends very happy. He plays a druid and goes out of his way to be a boomkin since Vanilla days, let alone now.Kuja wrote:Dude, come on. DEHTA?
Two words.
Moonkin faction
. Dumb DPS never fails to make me laugh.well when I did him with my DK, I didn't even hit him after the first wave of Adds, I just let my Army of Dead loose on him and laughed as he tried to kill the ghouls while they made him their lunch.LordOskuro wrote:Poor Baron Rivendare... Killed by a Warrior and a Priest. Ok, so we're 68 and 71, and the priest is wearing the undead cleansing set from the invasion, but well.
Given that Blizz took out Potion chugging, and changed Spirit mechanics for every magic class, you're being a retard. Sure currently there's no reason, because it is that much easier, and Frostfire Build rarely requires that much mana. They did this specifically because of the change of potions, with the idea that latter shit will likely need more mana then something that is more tuned the Karazhan.Darmalus wrote:The problem is they put spirit on EVERYTHING. Seriously, there's spirit on the mage tier 7 gear. How about we put some spellpower on the warrior tier gear while we're at it? I have more spirit now than ever before, and I get zero use out of it, it might as well be strength for all it helps me. As a mage I would probably roll on those cuffs, because they are cloth, and better than my current, and even if the spirit makes it better for you, the sheer amount of spirit gear makes it irrelevant, because I can't avoid it, so I just ignore it when considering if it is an upgrade.
The problem is, as I understand it, the DPS lost from using mage armor rather than molten armor is so large the mana regen wont be useful unless the fight is absurdly long. The last time I used mage armor was when everyone except the tank, healer, me and a hunter all got killed in one bad shadow bust on Prince in Karazhan, and that was before the cost of spells was reduced to current levels. I just kept casting pyroblast because I had regened the mana by the time it cast to cast another.Ghost Rider wrote:Given that Blizz took out Potion chugging, and changed Spirit mechanics for every magic class, you're being a retard. Sure currently there's no reason, because it is that much easier, and Frostfire Build rarely requires that much mana. They did this specifically because of the change of potions, with the idea that latter shit will likely need more mana then something that is more tuned the Karazhan.Darmalus wrote:The problem is they put spirit on EVERYTHING. Seriously, there's spirit on the mage tier 7 gear. How about we put some spellpower on the warrior tier gear while we're at it? I have more spirit now than ever before, and I get zero use out of it, it might as well be strength for all it helps me. As a mage I would probably roll on those cuffs, because they are cloth, and better than my current, and even if the spirit makes it better for you, the sheer amount of spirit gear makes it irrelevant, because I can't avoid it, so I just ignore it when considering if it is an upgrade.
He's not rolling for the spirit, he's rolling for the intellect, stamina, spellpower, and maybe the haste, too. It's not "useless", even if it isn't ideal.Minischoles wrote:A freaking elemental shaman, a class with absolutely 0 use for spirit of any kind, and yet he rolled on them for his DPS gear. Things like that really lead me to question how people can get to 80 and still not know their goddamned class.
You've got to think like Blizz; they're expecting you guys to have mana issues (all casters actually) so they're expecting Priests of either spec to spec into 20 points into Disc for Meditation, and the same for Mages to spec 17 points into Arcane for their passive 30% mana-regen talent. Like all Warlocks are expected to have at least 16 points in Destruction for Ruin or bye-bye scaling.Darmalus wrote: The problem is, as I understand it, the DPS lost from using mage armor rather than molten armor is so large the mana regen wont be useful unless the fight is absurdly long. The last time I used mage armor was when everyone except the tank, healer, me and a hunter all got killed in one bad shadow bust on Prince in Karazhan, and that was before the cost of spells was reduced to current levels. I just kept casting pyroblast because I had regened the mana by the time it cast to cast another.
Spirit may get useful in the future, assuming the buffs to arcane go through. It's the only mage build that uses spirit, but it's PvE DPS is pathetic at the moment.
Actually at a certain point in Naxx (at least prior to the incoming changes), you would be giving up the crit Molten Armor gives you for the extra mana regen, simply because its more of a DPS increase to be able to keep going longer. Luckily Blizzard has actually changed that, since Evocation is getting its cooldown changed, and that changes one of the major problems you'll actually be encountering even in the first few bosses of Naxx (where you're likely to be OOM by about 10%, and 40 odd seconds left on evocation CD, with the change a quick evocate and you can continue nuking). Spirit is mildly useful even now, its not something you should aim for, but it helps with Mage Armor especially if you glyph it.Darmalus wrote:The problem is, as I understand it, the DPS lost from using mage armor rather than molten armor is so large the mana regen wont be useful unless the fight is absurdly long. The last time I used mage armor was when everyone except the tank, healer, me and a hunter all got killed in one bad shadow bust on Prince in Karazhan, and that was before the cost of spells was reduced to current levels. I just kept casting pyroblast because I had regened the mana by the time it cast to cast another.Ghost Rider wrote:Given that Blizz took out Potion chugging, and changed Spirit mechanics for every magic class, you're being a retard. Sure currently there's no reason, because it is that much easier, and Frostfire Build rarely requires that much mana. They did this specifically because of the change of potions, with the idea that latter shit will likely need more mana then something that is more tuned the Karazhan.Darmalus wrote:The problem is they put spirit on EVERYTHING. Seriously, there's spirit on the mage tier 7 gear. How about we put some spellpower on the warrior tier gear while we're at it? I have more spirit now than ever before, and I get zero use out of it, it might as well be strength for all it helps me. As a mage I would probably roll on those cuffs, because they are cloth, and better than my current, and even if the spirit makes it better for you, the sheer amount of spirit gear makes it irrelevant, because I can't avoid it, so I just ignore it when considering if it is an upgrade.
Spirit may get useful in the future, assuming the buffs to arcane go through. It's the only mage build that uses spirit, but it's PvE DPS is pathetic at the moment.
LMAO...seriously you really don't think that? The level of health regeneration of Spirit is absurdly low, requiring nearly twice what mana classes need. There's a very real reason there's no Stamina, Strength, Spirit gear. Yes, health regen sucks for warriors, which to be honest is why I see Protect as the new level spec for all levels. Fury takes far too much damage given the need to be in Beserker stance, and Arms can be far too bursty. That and gear plays an immense part in Warrior DPS, more so then any other class...so unless you are keeping yourself on the cutting edge you immediately see degradation.LordOskuro wrote:Not sure about the high-end, but even on my warrior I might find spirit useful for PVE, to reduce the downtime between fights. Right now I have 0 spirit from gear, and it takes AEONS for my health to regenerate between fights (barring the use of food or bandages, of course).
For a caster, faster mana regeneration while using wands, or waiting for the melee party members to smash things isn't half bad either.
That's the best you've got? That's honestly the best story you've got? That's nothing.Minischoles wrote:A freaking elemental shaman, a class with absolutely 0 use for spirit of any kind, and yet he rolled on them for his DPS gear. Things like that really lead me to question how people can get to 80 and still not know their goddamned class.
while I suspect they indeed former Beast mastery hunters (the other 2 specs need at least some skill to be used in some resemblence of effiency) and if lock I'd say they'd be Demo with Fel guard (again due to the pets doing most of the work for you).Civil War Man wrote:At the risk of sounding biased, I am going to go out on a limb and guess that both Death Knights had previously played a facerolling class before rolling Death Knights. In order to detemine their previous main, we can immediately strike off any healing or tanking specs, because they would consider themselves too leet for that. I'm not saying that there aren't bad tanks or healers, but their personalities smacks of DPS facerollers who consider themselves too good to tank or heal.
So, I feel I can safely assume that they were not priests, paladins (holy - healing, protection - tanking, ret - required practice to even be able to pretend to dps prior to Wrath), and probably not warriors (at least, not protection). Shaman is unlikely, considering how few actually play one, and definitely not Restoration spec. Probably not Druid, and definitely not Restoration if they were.
Given their lack of understanding into the mechanics of trapping, and their apparently lack of knowledge in the realm of melee DPS, my first instinct says that one or both of them were Hunters. The breed of Hunter that gives a bad name to Hunters. The type of Hunter that doesn't turn off Growl, rolls need on strength gear, and thinks they are a melee class because they can dual wield. Maybe even ones that leave their pets on Aggressive. That type of Hunter has no concept of traps, even though they are the class that uses them.
My second instinct that that one or both of them may have formerly been Rogues. But if they were, they would have to be the type of Rogue that doesn't give a shit about aggro because they have Vanish, because any other type of Rogue would have known how to DPS.
Mage or Warlock, being pure DPS classes, have to be mentioned. I wouldn't be surprised if they don't have the patience to play Mage or Warlock, though, due to how fragile those two classes are. If it had to be one of those two, my guess would be Warlocks that don't turn off Torment for their Voidwalker.
I've a little pet theory on why the majority of Hunters are, in fact, Huntards (to use the common epithet). It's got to do, mostly, with the intrinsic nature of the class. Hunters are probably the only class in the game, that for the entirety of WoW's existence, from 1.0 to 3.3, have been able to get by without needing other people. I remember back in say, 1.9, when someone would post in GChat, "Hey, someone just solo'd Teremus" or something, you'd instantly see five responses scroll past in less than a minute, all of them but one word: "Hunter."Lord Revan wrote: while I suspect they indeed former Beast mastery hunters (the other 2 specs need at least some skill to be used in some resemblence of effiency) and if lock I'd say they'd be Demo with Fel guard (again due to the pets doing most of the work for you).
Hunters seem to have (at least on my realm) alot of idiots and few good players, though PvP DPS specs for warrior and pally aren't sadly far behind, as I love the mechanics on the BGs but since 99% of the alliance side PvPers on my battlegroup wouldn't be able to breath if it wasn't automatic PvPings isn't just enjoyble at all.
Man, I play on Moon Guard, which is pretty much considered the Last Bastion of RP (cue dramatic trumpeting) on US servers, and it looks like half of the server upped and rerolled. I can't run through the Stormwind Cathedral to pick up some extra SoKs before Malygos without tripping over ten Death Knights squaring off against two lonely-looking lowbie Paladins who desperately want to know just why these smacktards are loitering in a Holy sanctuary.LordOskuro wrote: <Warning: RP rant incoming>
As for the DKs in RP realms, it's hard to get some decent roleplaying on the spanish servers, and when we manage to set up a guild RP meeting, the whole session is about the DKs whining about how the Horde hates them and they'll never gain full acceptance, or about how horrible it was to serve Arthas and how traumatized they are.
I'M FED UP WITH THIS FUCKING EMO CRAP! Why do the guys that roll a DK to be an absolute badass always default into "nobody understands me" attitude when RPing? Is being a whiner-baby supposed to be cool?! You're a freaking master of undeath, that sucks souls for sustenance and casually sends out deadly diseases to those around you. Who cares if people don't like you? Kill them and raise them as ghouls, dammit!
I think the fact that you're in a group with a Warlock that's using a Voidwalker would have been your first clue regardless if he's got Torment on autocast or not.Civil War Man wrote:If it had to be one of those two, my guess would be Warlocks that don't turn off Torment for their Voidwalker.
Nice story. When the next patch comes out, 3.0.8, and I can make my Death Knight on any server, I will join my friend on Silver Hand as my first dip into a RP server. My planned characterization is that he has decided if he is going to unlive forever, he is going to do it neck deep in MONEY! Very goblin-like in his attitude. Should be fun, I'll get to come up with absurd money-making schemes and stay in character. Why do I quest? Because I am paid too, thats why! I need to make up for losses after the last hair-brained scheme fizzled and I was left with 10 crates of gnome earwax I couldn't sell.Civil War Man wrote:As for emo Death Knights on RP servers, I can sympathize. It's way too easy to do emo dark character. And while, as I mentioned before, I don't play on an RP server, I like to come up with backstories for my characters. For my Death Knight, he starts out as a pretty cliche fallen paladin, killed by the Scourge, resurrected by the Lich King, etc, etc. He tries to project the image of the benevolent aspects of an Angel of Death. He's an equal opportunity killer without being a monster about it, and does nothing to prolong the death of even the worst creatures he kills. Even rides a white gryphon (eventually scrounged up the money for the fast version) to try to emphasize that particular cliche. But even though he does all that, he still has no qualms about killing, and no problem with accepting money for it. Only remotely emo thing I allowed in his story is that, after regaining his free will, he was given the opportunity to be reunited with his family, but chose to abandon them because he did not want to tarnish their last memories of him. It basically went: gained free will, spent all of 5 minutes in Stormwind to talk to Wrynn, immediately ran through the Dark Portal, and did not return to Stormwind until level 68, at which point he spent all of 2 minutes there in order to get a haircut and catch the next boat to Northrend.
I think the fact that you could correct me on this would have been your first clue that I obviously don't group with a Warlock, since I mentioned Voidwalker because that's what I see all the solo Warlocks running with (when they aren't Felguards).Crown wrote:I think the fact that you're in a group with a Warlock that's using a Voidwalker would have been your first clue regardless if he's got Torment on autocast or not.Civil War Man wrote:If it had to be one of those two, my guess would be Warlocks that don't turn off Torment for their Voidwalker.
I feel your pain, here. Despite the fact my guild is currently leading Moon Guard's progression we have somehow managed to get this far with all of one Holy Priest. We don't even have another Holy Priest in the guild. It's kind of concerning, honestly, but I can pretty much blame the fact that Moon Guard has a relatively small pool of raid-capable players. Nor would I doubt the fact that most Holy Priests have suddenly rerolled Death Knight.Civil War Man wrote:
My guild's small, and so we are short certain classes outside of alts. None of us have a Warlock main. We're pretty much fresh out of Rogues (our resident Combat Rogue has been running Death Knight so he can be a tank). One of our tanks (paladin) has been respeccing Holy for most instances because our Resto shaman is still in the low 70s, our druid is feral, and our priests aren't on often (Hell, one of them has been playing longer than me, but isn't 70 yet since she's too busy to play).
That does remind me that we have one other Feral Druid. One is a cat spec that goes bear if the main tank dies or something similarly panic-inducing happens. The other is bear spec, but like the aforementioned priest doesn't have a lot of time to play.Maxentius wrote:We've only got one Paladin tank, to boot, and no viable bear tank at this moment.