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No mention of these weird problems even in Darth Wong's analysis, the 2 major problems mentioned are
There's also:JodoForce wrote:Well it's not like if the Fed fighters couldn't get past the tractor beams the X-wings could either.
1. Fed fighters are not manoeuvrable enough / fed pilots are not good enough
2. Fed torpedoes are not manoeuvrable enough
Now that (2) is behind us, they can score if only we could solve (1)...
A third serious problem involves maneuverability. While we witnessed Luke's torpedo execute a hard turn in ANH requiring many tens of thousands of g's of acceleration, we've never witnessed such maneuverability from a photon torpedo. Photorp turning circles are in the range of hundreds of metres or even several kilometres, not one or two metres. They've never demonstrated the ability to execute anything remotely like the ANH maneuver, which was a 90 degree turn inside a turning circle of one metre.
Actually, until we know what kind of power the manouvering thrusters can throw out, it is still relevance. After all, if the torp had to hover over the exhaust port for more than a couple of seconds to line itself up, it could be shot up before it can fly down.JodoForce wrote:Nevertheless DW's assessment of this battle needs to be changed for this bullet point: -snip
It's still all true, just not relevant to the question of scoring a hit on the reactor anymore.
Judging from how the heat-seeking photorp in ST6 could make something like a U-turn in about 10s after being launched at interstellar velocities, the microtorp can easily change its vector from forward to down in less than a second when launched at the speed of a fighter doing the trench run, assuming comparable acceleration, and assuming that rate of thrust vector change is not a problem. If it IS a problem, the absolute upper limit would be the time taken for the photorp in ST6 to hit. (That's the only instance of a photorp making significant turns that I have seen, other people may know of other instances?)Lord of the Farce wrote:Actually, until we know what kind of power the manouvering thrusters can throw out, it is still relevance. After all, if the torp had to hover over the exhaust port for more than a couple of seconds to line itself up, it could be shot up before it can fly down.JodoForce wrote:Nevertheless DW's assessment of this battle needs to be changed for this bullet point: -snip
It's still all true, just not relevant to the question of scoring a hit on the reactor anymore.
I love how you invent new tactics that the Feddies have never used before. Let me correct some of your assumptions:The Admiral wrote:There was no way I was going to read all 7 pages of this,,,
But I do have an idea.
In what was it the undiscovered contry, we had an gas seeking topedo, now they move at the speed of light...
So you could fire them from SO far away, so you could have say, my flagship The USS Spirit, (Spirit class) and just fire a long stream of photon torps that seek the reactor core...
One might go down, and so long as you dodgy the superlaser, and has my defence turrets take are of TIEs,
Then you win.
Admiral
No, you don't win. Photorps don't move at c. This is what would happen. You fire your torps, the turbo lasers shoot them down, and you have no more torpedoes. Now you have two options,The Admiral wrote:There was no way I was going to read all 7 pages of this,,,
But I do have an idea.
In what was it the undiscovered contry, we had an gas seeking topedo, now they move at the speed of light...
So you could fire them from SO far away, so you could have say, my flagship The USS Spirit, (Spirit class) and just fire a long stream of photon torps that seek the reactor core...
One might go down, and so long as you dodgy the superlaser, and has my defence turrets take are of TIEs,
Then you win.
Admiral
Well, we generally don't consider offscreen material canon around here (though if it was from an episode...)...anyway! Fighters just for blasting torps? Fighters are the ones that tend to LAUNCH the torps. If fighters had to chase down munitions, they wouldn't be able to do their job - take out ENEMY fighters and prevent them from hitting the capships. And capships have point-defense (not turbolasers, laser cannons like the Falcon has) to take out threats like torpedos.The Admiral wrote:Well according to my ST enclcopida, (Yes I do have one, its a great shame, and I was thinking of burning it, topedos move at warp one...
And turbolasers, don't shoot down torps, not ever SW torps, you need fighters to do that, turbo lasers are for blasting things.
The YV, would have fun with the federation though, just suck away all those torps...
Admiral
Yeah, thats why Palleon fired torps from his ISD RIGHT behind a group of TIEs, so the Turbolasers would track the TIEs and not shoot the torps down. Which in itself was supposedly a great tactic devised by I think Bel Ibis, cause torps are apparently easy to shoot with turbolasers.The Admiral wrote: And turbolasers, don't shoot down torps, not ever SW torps, you need fighters to do that, turbo lasers are for blasting things.
The Admiral wrote:All the stuff in it, is supposed to be taken from episodes...
I'll look it up later, Also TIE's can't lauch tops, expect bombers, and they won't be much good a agasint defence turrets so they many as well try and shot down the spirits torps...
But they'd never track the spirt down, cos it could just warp out of the way, and even use the picard manover...
Hyperdrives take time to chrage,
So it could keep up the barrage forever...
Admiral
Ah, so your just a troll.Only Q can save the day...
That would make thoses Inprials run!
The Admiral
Right, you mean just like when they helped the Feddies against the Borg. Or how about against S8472. Oh wait, they didn't. They sure didn't think to help when the Feddies might have gotten their asses kick.The Admiral wrote:They where enevr part of the federation...
But they might object to the inprials just subjigateing the world...
But quite an apt description.A troll?
Thats a new one...
Well, we have a confirmed Garble here.The Admiral wrote:They where enevr part of the federation...
But they might object to the inprials just subjigateing the world...
A troll?
Thats a new one...
Opps, yes a forgot about that bit in SOTP, thought I think it was to take them by suprise not to shoot them down...
Thats why the A-wing version worked, the A-wings din't do much, but ti onfused the commdanders, and allowed for added destrution...
The admiral
