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Nope. You should have put in a "in modern times" caveat. While this certainly ranks high and all respect to the men and women involved but history is a huge place, especially when it contains WWII.The Duchess of Zeon wrote:In purely operational terms this was one of the riskiest and most daring special forces operations in world history...
It'll probably come out in some future Wikileaks release that the ISI has been keeping Bin-Laden on ice for years, and they decided that now would be a convenient time to let his location slip to the United States. In that case, I imagine Pakistan is going to get something in return for this. The fun will be in guessing just what that's going to be.Havok wrote:I'm curious where this leaves Pakistan as an 'ally'. If they truly had zero knowledge and input into this operation, then this was severe breach of their country's borders and I would imagine be a major violation of their laws.
GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:It'll probably come out in some future Wikileaks release that the ISI has been keeping Bin-Laden on ice for years, and they decided that now would be a convenient time to let his location slip to the United States. In that case, I imagine Pakistan is going to get something in return for this. The fun will be in guessing just what that's going to be.Havok wrote:I'm curious where this leaves Pakistan as an 'ally'. If they truly had zero knowledge and input into this operation, then this was severe breach of their country's borders and I would imagine be a major violation of their laws.
The operation, according to senior officials who briefed reporters early Monday morning, hinged almost entirely on the hunt for a single man: a courier operating out of Pakistan who had been trusted by bin Laden for years.
Using information from detainees in U.S. custody, U.S. analysts and operatives spent years figuring out the courier’s identity, concluding that he was a former protege of Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-declared mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks who is being held at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The courier “in particular had our constant attention,” the official said.
Detainees “identified this man as one of the few al-Qaeda couriers trusted by bin Laden, indicated he might be living with or protecting bin Laden,” the official said. But for years, the United States was unable to track him down or uncover his real name, which did not happen until four years ago. Two years ago, U.S. officials narrowed down the region in Pakistan where the courier was working, senior administration officials said.
Then, in August, U.S. officials found the compound that turned out to be bin Laden’s hiding spot. It was described as an extraordinary place, custom-made for him, with 12- to 18-foot security walls, multiple interior walls dividing the property and massive privacy walls blocking even a third-story balcony. Despite being valued at $1 million, the property had no Internet or phone service, the official said.
“When we saw the compound . . . we were shocked by what we saw,” the official told reporters, describing it as “an extraordinarily unique compound,” built perhaps in 2005 and expressly for bin Laden. “Everything we saw . . . was perfectly consistent with what our experts expected bin Laden’s hideout to look like.”
Shroom Man 777 wrote:Since the operation was weeks in planning, I bet Obama deliberately released his birth certificate so he could fuck with Trump and his opponents in the Correspondents Dinner and top it off with delivering OBL's head in a platter the day after, to culminate in a week of total awesome for him.
I sure hope so.Havok wrote:Speaking of politicizing this event... it's interesting, now that the security meeting timeline has been given, that President Obama chose to release his birth certificate just before this operation.
Kinda like, "Yes, I am an American, and this is how an American does things."
Maybe not the most blatant political move, but there had to be some forethought into the timing.
No way to know for sure, of course...but I totally would have done that.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Since the operation was weeks in planning, I bet Obama deliberately released his birth certificate so he could fuck with Trump and his opponents in the Correspondents Dinner and top it off with delivering OBL's head in a platter the day after, to culminate in a week of total awesome for him.
Even better, the announcement interrupted Trump's show, Celebrity Apprentice, for the last 15 or so minutes. If that was deliberate, it was great timing on Obama's part.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Since the operation was weeks in planning, I bet Obama deliberately released his birth certificate so he could fuck with Trump and his opponents in the Correspondents Dinner and top it off with delivering OBL's head in a platter the day after, to culminate in a week of total awesome for him.
I have absolutely no doubt Obama would have pushed to have him executed.wautd wrote:Impressive they were on his trace since August and were able to keep it quiet.
Anyway, good riddance. A part of me wanted to see him alive and put to justice, but then you had this may have ended with republicans bitching about him wanting to have him executed, while the democrats wanting to keep him imprisoned. At least the book is closed on him now.
Releasing their names would almost be asking to have them and perhaps their families attacked.SpacedTeddyBear wrote:Kudos all around to Obama for making such a gutsy call to send troops in there, but more so to the men and women who were dropped that deep into Pakistan to bag that son of a bitch. Whoever they are, they should never have to pay taxes ever again. I wonder though, if they're going to remain mum on the names of the individuals who went in, or if there's going to be a ticker tape parade in Washington.
Osama Bin Laden Body Headed for Burial at Sea, Officials Say
May 02, 2011 1:59 AM
ABC News' Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) reports: Now that bin Laden has been killed and his body has been positively identified, what is to be done with his remains?
U.S. officials tell me the last thing they want is for his burial place to become a terrorist shrine.
To avoid that, an informed source tells me, the intention is the bury his body at sea -- leaving no definitive location for the final resting place of his body.
A senior administration official tells my colleague Jake Tapper this about the body: "We are ensuring it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. It's something we take seriously and therefore it's being handled in an appropriate manner."
Under Islamic tradition, ABC's Zunaira Zaki reports, the body would be washed by Muslim men and buried as soon as possible, usually by the next prayer (Muslims pray five times a day), although there may be delays under certain circumstances (for autopsies, for example). The body is usually buried in a simple white sheet -- whether buried in the ground, or at sea.
Not to be a total dick, but would the handshakes also be for those who directly tortured in Gitmo/Iraq/A'Stan or directed torture in places like Egypt in the hope of getting a little tidbit of info?Havok wrote:It is also a job they volunteered for. I appreciate the job done, but they shouldn't get special treatment outside of the enormous gratitude and respect that will assuredly come with the particular mission.
I damn well would like to shake every one of their hands though, from CIA all the way to the helicopter pilots and everyone in between.
Thank shit for someone having some sanity. I doubt that the previous administration would have shown such restraint/concern.FSTargetDrone wrote:Some information on what may be done with the corpse:
Osama Bin Laden Body Headed for Burial at Sea, Officials Say
May 02, 2011 1:59 AM
ABC News' Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) reports: Now that bin Laden has been killed and his body has been positively identified, what is to be done with his remains?
U.S. officials tell me the last thing they want is for his burial place to become a terrorist shrine.
To avoid that, an informed source tells me, the intention is the bury his body at sea -- leaving no definitive location for the final resting place of his body.
A senior administration official tells my colleague Jake Tapper this about the body: "We are ensuring it is handled in accordance with Islamic practice and tradition. It's something we take seriously and therefore it's being handled in an appropriate manner."
Under Islamic tradition, ABC's Zunaira Zaki reports, the body would be washed by Muslim men and buried as soon as possible, usually by the next prayer (Muslims pray five times a day), although there may be delays under certain circumstances (for autopsies, for example). The body is usually buried in a simple white sheet -- whether buried in the ground, or at sea.
