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Oh, yes. The NRE claims the entirety of the spacelanes in and around the Octavius system. It also claims a sphere of space surrounding each of the caepidda, with each sphere having a radius of 3 AU, extending outward from the caepidda.

The PIR claims the space of it's inhabited systems and a 2ly sphere around their edge as it's territory.

Just for general knowledge's sake, only escorted commercial fleets are allowed within the far point system, and they can't even get proper co-ordinates for it, all other ships found inside will be boarded immeadietly, have the computers on board confiscated and destroyed, and the crew sent back on commercial ships. Any act to resist this is considered an act of war.


The reason for this is that the exact co-ordinates of the system are a most closley guarded secret, no one is allowed to it except captains of millitary ships.


EDIT: The sphere which we claim is 3 lys across, and any act to run from the ships is considered an act of war.

The new nations of what's left will allow pretty much anything less than a military task force to move across its space.

However if you do then its possible that the Cuteniods will like your ship color, and decide to board, kill and eat your crew and take the ship.... Though this shouldn't happen if you stay near the planets or consistantly bring good cargo.

Rules for crossing Imperial space will be posted with the full dec(coming today!)

Straha wrote:Just for general knowledge's sake, only escorted commercial fleets are allowed within the far point system, and they can't even get proper co-ordinates for it, all other ships found inside will be boarded immeadietly, have the computers on board confiscated and destroyed, and the crew sent back on commercial ships. Any act to resist this is considered an act of war.


The reason for this is that the exact co-ordinates of the system are a most closley guarded secret, no one is allowed to it except captains of millitary ships.

Don't expect that to last. The Kokand Empire engages in considerable mapping of hyperspace lanes and systems to allow for peak performance from its hyperdrives.

Does anyone else see the problem hear? We all already agreed on limiting claimed territory to within the boundaries of a system. With people already claiming light years out pretty soon the whole maps going to be divided up as nations make claims on every planet they can find.


Bah, I don't care, the Kokand Empire now claims a three light year total exclusion zone and an additional thirteen light year economic exclusion zone beyond that. Commercial vessels wishing to enter the total exclusion zone must give notice and are subject to search and in some cases taxation. Military craft may not enter without prior diplomatic contact.

Erm what about htose of ys whose entire navy consists of Merchant shipping (Just ARMED merchants) <Also when we want to go to war we simply start haulling lots of missiles in our catgo bays.)

I suppose armed merchant ships would be counted under normal merchant rules, since piracy is something of a problem. Though I suggest if your ever commercially hauling arms you don't make any pit stops at other planet.

And the whole long argument over free travel within a system goes out the window and people start claiming far more territory then they can possibly effectively patrol.

I suppose I'll just have to piss off everyone with regular cloaked ships peeping in until they realize the ridiculousness of claiming 3 LY with our tech base.

Well, seeming as no one can claim a speed advantage at this stage of play why don't we generally say neutral zones extend for about ten minutes travel time around important places?

SirNitram wrote:I suppose I'll just have to piss off everyone with regular cloaked ships peeping in until they realize the ridiculousness of claiming 3 LY with our tech base.

Brilliant idea. Then everyone will have to start an international anti-Lost alliance, barring all trade and declaring a permanent state of war with your nation, until you realize the ridiculousness of flagrantly violating people's territorial claims just to prove a point.

That said, the PSR issues the following territorial rules:

All space within the heliopause of wholly controlled systems designated as national territory, with no military vessels allowed access without permission and merchant ships subject to search and taxation.

Sol system recognized as 'international zone' with freedom of passage for all Earth-based states.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

SirNitram wrote:I suppose I'll just have to piss off everyone with regular cloaked ships peeping in until they realize the ridiculousness of claiming 3 LY with our tech base.

Brilliant idea. Then everyone will have to start an international anti-Lost alliance, barring all trade and declaring a permanent state of war with your nation, until you realize the ridiculousness of flagrantly violating people's territorial claims just to prove a point.

Do they have sarcasm on your planet? Jeez. Besides, as I said, the point would be they could not, ICly, pick out a ship in that huge area.

SirNitram wrote:

Pablo Sanchez wrote:

SirNitram wrote:I suppose I'll just have to piss off everyone with regular cloaked ships peeping in until they realize the ridiculousness of claiming 3 LY with our tech base.

Brilliant idea. Then everyone will have to start an international anti-Lost alliance, barring all trade and declaring a permanent state of war with your nation, until you realize the ridiculousness of flagrantly violating people's territorial claims just to prove a point.

Do they have sarcasm on your planet? Jeez. Besides, as I said, the point would be they could not, ICly, pick out a ship in that huge area.

A DS9 level sensor-net should be able to stake out the area, a buoy every half lightyear or so should be able to pick up ships moving through a pretty wide territory.

Spyder wrote:A DS9 level sensor-net should be able to stake out the area, a buoy every half lightyear or so should be able to pick up ships moving through a pretty wide territory.

Not cloaked ships, though. IIRC, didn't the Defiant breeze through such a sensor net once?

SirNitram wrote:And the whole long argument over free travel within a system goes out the window and people start claiming far more territory then they can possibly effectively patrol.

I suppose I'll just have to piss off everyone with regular cloaked ships peeping in until they realize the ridiculousness of claiming 3 LY with our tech base.

As opposed to the the hundreds of light years claimed by the acutal DS9 powers?

Sea Skimmer wrote:

Straha wrote:Just for general knowledge's sake, only escorted commercial fleets are allowed within the far point system, and they can't even get proper co-ordinates for it, all other ships found inside will be boarded immeadietly, have the computers on board confiscated and destroyed, and the crew sent back on commercial ships. Any act to resist this is considered an act of war.


The reason for this is that the exact co-ordinates of the system are a most closley guarded secret, no one is allowed to it except captains of millitary ships.

Don't expect that to last. The Kokand Empire engages in considerable mapping of hyperspace lanes and systems to allow for peak performance from its hyperdrives.

Ahem, let's make this clear... if you come within our teritory on FarPoint (any other teritory is open for grabs) we will board the fleet, take the computers, and send your men back in transports. If you don't like it, tough. And if we get an inkling of you entering our teritory we will not be dis-inclined to carpet bomb your planets/colonies, and physically take them.


if you, however, agree to these simple restrictions trading benefits go your way, if you don't agree trading restrictions go your way. Again, if you don't like it, tough.

SirNitram wrote:Do they have sarcasm on your planet? Jeez.

I think suspicion is warranted when you're dealing with the person who claimed thousands of galaxies in STGOD-I.

Straha wrote:
Ahem, let's make this clear... if you come within our teritory on FarPoint (any other teritory is open for grabs) we will board the fleet, take the computers, and send your men back in transports. If you don't like it, tough. And if we get an inkling of you entering our teritory we will not be dis-inclined to carpet bomb your planets/colonies, and physically take them.

With DS9 sensors you could easily tell if a system is well developed from three light years off. If you don't get the fact that you can't exist in an invisible bubble that no one can locate then that's your problem.

And given the state of your fleet, I would be more careful whom I threaten, wiping your civilization from existence would make for an amusing afternoons work.

Pablo Sanchez wrote: I think suspicion is warranted when you're dealing with the person who claimed thousands of galaxies in STGOD-I.

Not to mention phase cloaks with DS9 tech, while the only phase cloak we've ever seen in Trek didn't work, resulting in some bad thing happening to the vessel using it.

SirNitram wrote:

Spyder wrote:A DS9 level sensor-net should be able to stake out the area, a buoy every half lightyear or so should be able to pick up ships moving through a pretty wide territory.

Not cloaked ships, though. IIRC, didn't the Defiant breeze through such a sensor net once?

Yeah, they got sprung by roving patrols though because of the technobabble trail they leave behind when moving.

Pablo Sanchez wrote:That said, the PSR issues the following territorial rules:

All space within the heliopause of wholly controlled systems designated as national territory, with no military vessels allowed access without permission and merchant ships subject to search and taxation.

That sounds pretty good. That's my policy too.

Since it seems at least some people are sticking with the agreed system, The Kokand Empire will claims a heliopause defined total exclusion zone. Commercial vessels wishing to enter the total exclusion zone must give short notice and are subject to search and taxation. Military craft may not enter without prior diplomatic contact. Violators are subject to destruction.

This boundary is enforced by an extensive sensor network, backed by customs vessels, fighter craft and warships.

Thats the last I'll say on this matter I expect

I'll be enforcing a 40 light-year economic exclusion zone for all nations who declare territory beyond the standard heliopause territorial limit.

since the Fenari, mostly fight themselves, but do maintain loose control over some mining outposts along with their homeworld, and a few "Hunting Domains" suggesting that with the Lost, and floaters a mutual free trade allainance. Fenari can handle much heavier gravities then most races, making mining operations in those enviornments much easier.