The Official Episode III spoiler thread

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-12 04:53am

Damn

The piece of artwork you see at the top is official pre-production artwork of the creation of Vader scene from Episode 3. 'Burnt' Anakin is a composite of several different official images (i.e. it's not a fake).

And General Grievous

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-12 05:11am

Oh my God, that looks horrible (and I mean good).

And Grievous looks great. Good to finally see a full official image of him. Looks pretty much exactly how I thought.

Episode III keeps looking better as the days go by...

The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-03-12 05:26am

How the hell are they going to get a PG rating with an image like that? Fuck, even PG-13 would be pushing it; that image of Anakin looks like something out of Shindler's List...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-12 05:32am

I could see them getting away with the full body by only using it in short, quick cuts. They may be able to get away with the head, I think. PG films can still get away with quite a bit.

It's good that the image is only a composite of other official images, since Anakin's cybernetic arm is technically wrong: it should go to halfway up his upper arm, not halfway up his forearm.

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-03-12 05:36am

Yeah, tfn has this to say about the arm:

The burned Anakin pic is genuine ... from a certain point of view.

The face, neck, body, and legs are composited together from 3 real images from makeup tests for Episode III. The robotic arm is from Episode 2 composited and colored in. Credit originally should go to an insider named Timberwolf, but obviously at this point that is inconsequential.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-03-12 05:46am

Damn!

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-03-18 11:25pm

The General Grevious webdoc is up for Hyperspace members (couldn't see anyone else posting it). Not too much more info than say watching the Clone Wars Cartoons though ... bit disapointing really.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-03-21 05:22am

I don't think this is really a spoiler but I don't think it really needs its own thread either so I guess I'll post it here.

Anyways, I thought it was kind of interesting. It's an official summary of Episode III from the official site.

After three long years of relentless fighting, the Clone Wars are nearly at an end. The Jedi Council dispatches Obi-Wan Kenobi to bring the deadly leader of the Separatist droid army to justice. Meanwhile, back on Coruscant, Chancellor Palpatine has grown in power. His sweeping political changes transform the war-weary Republic into the mighty Galactic Empire. To his closest ally, Anakin Skywalker, he reveals the true nature of power and the promised secrets of the Force in an attempt to lure him to the dark side.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-21 05:35am

Only 3 years? Doesn't that seem... short, to people? I mean for a galactic-spanning Civil War. You'd think it would last a lot longer.

On the other hand, perhaps it doesn't have to last that long at all. I dunno, I just seem... weirded out about the length.

Mr. Sinister · Post by **Mr. Sinister** » 2004-03-21 11:18pm

Stofsk wrote:Only 3 years? Doesn't that seem... short, to people? I mean for a galactic-spanning Civil War. You'd think it would last a lot longer.

On the other hand, perhaps it doesn't have to last that long at all. I dunno, I just seem... weirded out about the length.

I agree. I figured the war would have lasted at least 5 years.

Hell, World War II lasted six.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-22 12:48am

A war can last only Six Days, or go on for a Hundred Years. A war is a war: it really doesn't matter how long it lasts.

After all, the Galactic Civil War, once it really got going, lasted four years (Battle of Yavin to Battle of Endor).

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-22 04:04pm

No it did not, Spanky. The Galactic Civil War is very murky, really.

I suppose legally it began with the Declaration of Rebellion against the Galactic Empire issued after the Corellian Treaty by the newly founded Alliance to Restore the Republic, about a year or so before Yavin, IIRC, and ended with the the signing of the armistice by acting Chief of State Ponc Gavrisom of the New Republic and Fleet Admiral Pelleaon of the Imperial Remnant nineteen years later.

From the Declaration of the Rebellion to the founding of the Alliance of Free Planets, the Galactic Civil War was simply an internal rebellion against the Galactic Empire.

From the founding of the Alliance of Free Planets until the founding of the New Republic, it was a full-scale war between the Alliance of Free Planets and the Galactic Empire.

From the founding of the New Republic until the assassination of Imperial Interim Council Xandel Carivus, it was a full-scale war between the New Republic and Galactic Empire.

From the of Imperial Interim Council Xandel Carivus until the founding of the Imperial Remnant by former Fleet Admiral of the Oversector Outer starfleet (not of the Imperial Navy), Daala, it was a skirmish war between "Imperial" warlords and the New Republic.

From the founding of the Imperial Remnant Remnant by former Fleet Admiral of the Oversector Outer starfleet (not of the Imperial Navy), Daala, and the signing of the armistice by acting Chief of State Ponc Gavrisom and Fleet Admiral Pelleaon, it was a full-scale war between the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic.

EDIT: Earlier dating placing the Clone Wars at around 35 BBY had them lasting around 5-10 years, IIRC.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-22 06:10pm

Bah, you and your trivial truth.

My point was that it really doesn't matter at all how long a war lasts, as it doesn't always directly relate to its impact.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2004-03-27 02:50am

The Kernel wrote:How the hell are they going to get a PG rating with an image like that? Fuck, even PG-13 would be pushing it; that image of Anakin looks like something out of Shindler's List...

Would that really be a bad thing? A PG-13 rating would probably make it loose some of the bad taste that TPM left in many's mouths as being a 'kiddie' movie.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-03-30 11:50pm

Mlenk wrote:
We will see the younglings fighting, which will include Rick McCallum's daughter (Mousy McCallum)'s Jedi character. -NG
WTF? I wonder how that will turn out. Should be interesting though.

I have a sneaking suspicion that is tied in with this

If the Raider slaughter bothered you, then prepare for worse. -PH

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-03-30 11:52pm

After receiving my newest Insider with information about creating General Grievous, I can't help but wonder if he'll merely be another Maul or if he'll actually have a developed character. I'm hoping he plays a large role in the movie, since they claim he's the new "icon of evil." Somehow I believe that is not going to be the case.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-03-31 12:05am

At the Hyperspace boards, Pablo Hidaglo seemed to have confirmed that Grievous will have much more dialogue than Darth Maul, which is an improvement. Hopefully he'll have more screentime than Dooku did in Episode II.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2004-03-31 11:40am

That does sound encouraging. I read in Insider that his voice will sound somewhat like a droid's too (processed). And that you do find out what the hell he is, if he's an alien version of Darth Vader or if he is a droid with genetic implants, and why that happened to him.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2004-04-01 11:29pm

The Official Site just put up the most recent Making of Episode III documentary. This one was about weapons.

Couple things that stood out to me:

Wookie weapons:

The scene in EP3 with the Wookies should be pretty interesting. These are by far some of the largest blasters I've every seen in SW. One of their pistols is so large Lucas was wielding it with two hands. And they all got progressively larger from there.

A new energy staff carried by General Grievious's bodyguard droids:
Lucas has apparently cooked up a weapon that can counter a lightsaber yet is not a lightsaber. It's basically a transparent rod with components inside which generate a force field that blocks a lightsaber's blade. The clip never showed it functioning but the prop itself is a very good design.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-04-02 07:49pm

Clone Sergeant wrote:The Official Site just put up the most recent Making of Episode III documentary. This one was about weapons.

Couple things that stood out to me:

Wookie weapons: The scene in EP3 with the Wookies should be pretty interesting. These are by far some of the largest blasters I've every seen in SW. One of their pistols is so large Lucas was wielding it with two hands. And they all got progressively larger from there.

A new energy staff carried by General Grievious's bodyguard droids:
Lucas has apparently cooked up a weapon that can counter a lightsaber yet is not a lightsaber. It's basically a transparent rod with components inside which generate a force field that blocks a lightsaber's blade. The clip never showed it functioning but the prop itself is a very good design.

Of course, it would be a tragedy if some of those pictures reached yt300000 (at) hotmail.com

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2004-04-02 09:38pm

YT300000 wrote:
Clone Sergeant wrote:The Official Site just put up the most recent Making of Episode III documentary. This one was about weapons.

Couple things that stood out to me:

Wookie weapons: The scene in EP3 with the Wookies should be pretty interesting. These are by far some of the largest blasters I've every seen in SW. One of their pistols is so large Lucas was wielding it with two hands. And they all got progressively larger from there.

A new energy staff carried by General Grievious's bodyguard droids:
Lucas has apparently cooked up a weapon that can counter a lightsaber yet is not a lightsaber. It's basically a transparent rod with components inside which generate a force field that blocks a lightsaber's blade. The clip never showed it functioning but the prop itself is a very good design.
Of course, it would be a tragedy if some of those pictures reached yt300000 (at) hotmail.com

It wasn't an article with pics. It was a quicktime video.

Dillon · Post by **Dillon** » 2004-04-04 05:56am

Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it's a "just the facts" summary of EP III stuff.

http://www.theforce.net/episode3/jtf/

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2004-04-04 01:59pm

observer_20000 wrote:Don't know if this has been posted yet, but it's a "just the facts" summary of EP III stuff.

http://www.theforce.net/episode3/jtf/

I haven't seen it either, and for me the two things I am really looking forward to are;

"Fans of Obi-Wan are going to be ecstatic about EpIII." - Rick McCallum

"We will see evidence that Obi-Wan's Jedi skills have improved since Ep2 and he is also noticeably higher up in the Jedi hierarchy." -Pablo Hidalgo

"One of the things that will get explained in the films is how Ben was able to retain his identity, because it happened somewhere in between the third and fourth movies. It is a discipline that he learned from Yoda. We don't ever get to see how he does it, but the idea of retaining your identity after you've passed on is something that Ben learned as a Jedi." -Pablo Hidalgo and George Lucas

Okay so that was three, sue me.

Eframepilot · Post by **Eframepilot** » 2004-04-04 06:05pm

So General Grievous and his bodyguard droids duel the Jedi with lightsabers or staffs capable of standing up to them. But presumably Grievous and his droids are neither Force sensitive nor Force immune like the Vong or ysalimiri. So why don't the Jedi just Force-toss them into walls/scramble their circuits/pick them up and leave them hanging there? How can a non-Force-sensitive be a feared Jedi killer with their own weapons? I would like to see an explanation for this in the movie or novelization.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2004-04-04 07:00pm

Eframepilot wrote:So General Grievous and his bodyguard droids duel the Jedi with lightsabers or staffs capable of standing up to them. But presumably Grievous and his droids are neither Force sensitive nor Force immune like the Vong or ysalimiri. So why don't the Jedi just Force-toss them into walls/scramble their circuits/pick them up and leave them hanging there? How can a non-Force-sensitive be a feared Jedi killer with their own weapons? I would like to see an explanation for this in the movie or novelization.

The General himself is both biological and mechanical. If you look at his face, you see biological eyes (actually Darth Mauls, though the characters are completely different according to the animators). Some of what the new SWI says suggests he was a living being and likely force sensitive who considers mechanical to be vastly superior to biological and thus began replacing body parts until that.

Frankly, the sunken eyes make him look more sad then terrifying to me.