Sakura Kinomoto vs. The Axis

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-11 05:27pm

The whole thread was just overzealous anime wanking, anyway.

'The tank guys beat us! Quick! Let's pit someone with god-like powers against a country from the 1940's, just to inflate our egos!'

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 05:43pm

HemlockGrey wrote:The whole thread was just overzealous anime wanking, anyway.

'The tank guys beat us! Quick! Let's pit someone with god-like powers against a country from the 1940's, just to inflate our egos!'

And I participated in the Tanks vs. Mecha thread, when?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 05:48pm

You leap to conclusions as well...why is that not a surprise?

Where did I say any of that...hell she can be killed...one shot and she's dead.

So unless you can prove she is going to stop the entirity of the Axis forces and bring their downfall learn to shut the fuck up.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 06:36pm

Since you have rejected the entirety of the many arguments that have been put forth, I will have to get serious.

She uses the return card to travel back in the past and prevent the assasination of Archduke Ferdinand (probably spelled on).

OR

She wipes Berlin as a city off the map.

OR

She mindswitches the Jews in the concentration camps with the nearest German army units.

OR

She goes around plunging major city after major city into inky "I can't see my fungers if I hold out my hand" blackness.

OR

She goes to the German controled harbors and raises the sea floor until they are no longer usable as such.

OR

She does all of the above.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 06:37pm

She does this all how again...oh yes magical resources of intelligence gathering

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 06:38pm

Ghost Rider wrote:She does this all how again...oh yes magical resources of intelligence gathering

You may want to use a term other than "magical" since that's EXACTLY how she's going to gather her intellegence.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 06:40pm

Yes...and this is the same level as what agin...oh yes leaping to conclusion...that everything she does will automatically work because the writer said so in the show.

Oh yes...she 'll automatcially assimilate all the knowledge needed to automatically stop the Axis in one fell swoop...and they'll take all her attacks up the ass, because obviously no one would try and think rationally in this sort of conflict.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 06:42pm

What exactly do you mean?

Your arguments revolve around "It's not going to work" without giving a reason WHY it won't work.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 06:45pm

So she'll assimilate the names, the places and numbers of millions of people with no problem?

Sure okay...and while we're at it...customs and local knowledge as well as she walks into war torn Germany with the intent of commiting calendestine acts to stop the Axis.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 06:48pm

You think she'll walk on the roads (assuming she walks).

No, I landed her in the countryside for a rather good reason.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 06:54pm

Then we're still discounting that Germans are just going to look at all her acts and go...

"Oh gee whiz...superior force...retreat...I mean we're this close to ruling Europe, let's not take reconissance, let's not take inteeligence, set up trap...we'll just prop our asses into the air and give up."

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2002-12-11 06:58pm

No, they're going to look at the results of very bizarre happenings and scream "What the fuck is going on!"

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 06:59pm

Actually, I'm not. I'm just saying that it's not going to do any good.

There's a lot of countryside to search through. If by some fortuitous act of chance, the Germans find her somewhere in all of Europe (she only begins in France) they'll have to deal with the fact that she has two guardians looking out for her (presumably in 12 hour shifts) and the fact that her dreams can predict the future. She can then cloak herself with an illusion and have the Germans simply walk past her.

In short, she can magically sense the Germans and magicaly hide herself.

Magic is a bitch.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 07:01pm

From all the Germans all the time and obviosuly she'll never make a mistake in any dialect or cultural exchange, and will always know when she's entering danger.

Using Magic as the end all be all is a cop out, thank you.

I mean in any debate going because it's magical is the same as going we just because.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 07:04pm

No, get this through your head.

Sakura uses magic!! SHE HAS MORE POWER THAN CLOW REED!!! so saying that Sakura will magically do something is PERFECTLY VALID.

Besides, she won't be making any cultural exchanges since she doesn't even speak the language (see first post).

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 07:06pm

So they are going to take this sitting down and does her magic affect them all(oh wait it doesn't).

She's going to watlz into Nazi held territory and blast them to oblivion time after time with them not doing a damn thing because well gee whiz the writer(to which there is none) has said so.

Yogi · Post by **Yogi** » 2002-12-11 07:08pm

So, HOW are the Nazis going to FIND her?

Oh yeah, you told us. VERY careful reconnasense.

Oh yeah, I also told you why that won't work.

Anything NEW?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 07:12pm

You've yet to dispute that one group of people are going to elude a country that is looking for something unusual...or even to a more finer point how she alone is going to stop the Nazi war machine aside from some caldestine assualts.

So until then...you've done nothing more than go"She blow up factories!"

Well gee whiz didn't the Allies do that and did the war end in a month...no

She's destroy tanks...same thing the Allies did...war end so soon afterward?

Well let see your sceanrio

The Allies are all but beaten...their greatest thrust Repellled Germany at it's height with no threats aside from one Girl and her friends...and she is going to do what too nearly fours years of mistakes in what a span of centuries.

For eveyr town she takes she gains notice and they will investigate...and plan for traps and lure such a being to reveal itself unless of course because magically she's omniscent this will all come to failure thus the Germans are obviously sitting on their collective Arse waiting for the end.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-11 07:16pm

Ghost Rider wrote:For eveyr town she takes she gains notice and they will investigate...and plan for traps and lure such a being to reveal itself unless of course because magically she's omniscent this will all come to failure thus the Germans are obviously sitting on their collective Arse waiting for the end.

You think she's gonig to try and CAPTURE towns?! What kind of idiot are you? Do you even know how a guerilla war works?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 07:17pm

As they pointed out she's just going to put people to sleep in towns...not in the terms of her taking as persay holding territory which is an impossiblity for her.

But the Nazis are just going to sit on their ass and ignore all this why again?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-12-11 07:19pm

IG-88E wrote:Do you even know how a guerilla war works?

"Ah, Mein Fuehrer, we are having problems in Occupied France...."
Werhmacht General.

"Again? Transfer Sonderkommando Direlwanger from Warsaw to France."
A. Hitler

And that's all she wrote......

September 1944:
heavy combat Warsaw uprising; many, many atrocities - babies bayoneted on pikes, masses of civilians gathered together and machine gunned are just 2 examples of Dirlewanger's catalog of horrors.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-11 07:20pm

They're not going to IGNORE it, they won't UNDERSTAND it. If the ground underneath a factory suddenly opens up and a huge waterspout erupts, ruining the entire factory, how will you explain it?

Oh, it was the ten-year-old girl half a mile away. OF COURSE the Axis will figure that out quickly.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2002-12-11 07:21pm

IG-88E wrote: Oh, it was the ten-year-old girl half a mile away. OF COURSE the Axis will figure that out quickly.

And how is she going to avoid being shot as a partisan when she violates
the damn curfew after 7 PM?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2002-12-11 07:24pm

Then you find out why...you don't assume out of thin air..."Must be a Ghost sir...only explaination!"

Eventually any army set up the way the nazis were will set up harsher standard...start killing any civilain that does anything pertaining to anything unusual and unless Sakura is a cold hearted bitch who doesn't mind that her action are bring the slaughter of hundreds, she'll either lay low for even longer or she'll surrender or change her actions thus allowing them some idea that this isn't some act of nature and an act from an intelligent being thus try to set up some trap.

It is still her versus an Axis forces that have never felt the sting of the Russians nor the defeat at Normandy...this isn't Hitler on his last legs here.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-12-11 07:24pm

MKSheppard wrote:And how is she going to avoid being shot as a partisan when she violates
the damn curfew after 7 PM?

Yes, Shep, OF COURSE her magic only works at night.