SiegeTank wrote:
Let's hear that alternative. 'Cause to be brutally honest I don't trust Emmeria any farther than I can throw it, and whilst my opinion shouldn't be decisive in this matter I'm obviously not the only one who feels that way. A lot of us (CATO players, that is) suspect that if you hand Czechmate a giant mothballed fleet, then one week in the game he'll sign a deal with Tian Xia or whomever and have it out of mothballs in no time. And then we'll have a pseudo-MESS state with a giant fleet sitting off the continent.
Yeah, thanks but no thanks.
It was annoying enough to have such a tiny yet bizarrely overmilitarized nation in the game when it was still sitting in an out-of-the-way corner of the map, it's just plain grating to shove that same nation in the face of established players and force them deal with it, particularly considering the history of the player who controls it. Ultimately this boils down to trust, and whichever way you turn it or try and sugarcoat it, Czechmate just does not have that particular quality in abundance right now.
Well, keep in mind that if he did something so egregious the moderator may have some harsh words for him and who he's working with. And a few bad, maybe crippling events for him to represent opposition to enhancing his fleet when he's got a seceded portion of the country glowering at his people from across a DMZ.
But yes, anticipating he needs to regain the trust of many players, I proposed to him taking the "Ireland" of the Emmerian islands and having it be an independent country as well, a breakaway nation like Polaria (Scotland). It'd be called Vitoze and have a primarily Italian ethnicity. As such, some of the equipment he claims, which wouldn't be so overdone for what was once a big Principality (in his history), would be in Vitozian hands instead of his, necessitating further cuts to the Emmerian OrBat.
Under this alternative,
if Czech plays to best behavior for a decent amount of time - I was postulating a month or two IRL, maybe three or four to satisfy the most distrustful - we will permit a situation where Vitozians elect a reunionist government that restores the country to Emmeria.
Steve wrote:And in the case of Duchies, well, how many Duchies from the start are actually left?
SiegeTank wrote:
Baerne, Cialan, Misteria, Miratia, Langley, Caleigh. Not including Emmeria itself that's six active player nations, three of which joined or rejoined fairly recently and were not given any benefits to show for it. Now I'm not opposed to retroactively granting those existing nations some sort of benefit for their trouble, or even to granting new players some kind of leg up so they can to catch up. I do however question the form that benefit is supposed to take in this particular case - i.e. a mothballed fleet - for the aforementioned reasons; I just don't believe that fleet will remain mothballed for any appreciable amount of time.
I would actually want to permit them to bump up their GDP and such from the original limit. Hell, I've already increased mine by a bit to account for years of growth broken up by the economic aftershocks of the Pathogen War.
BTW, where is Zwinmar's country anyway?
As for Stas, with the exception of Emmeria's first act in-game to be planning the invasion of Tanvarika (which, admittedly, isn't as likely if he's off the OC coast instead of being a North Pacific country) I listed all that to him already. He gave his reasons and I pointed out that people generally don't trust him due to that stuff.
Seriously, I've not exactly been a fan of his behavior and a few months ago I was siding with Siege and Ryan and others in criticizing the size of his forces (and contemplating solving the problem for us all if he invaded Tanvarika unilaterally, I'll add). Right now I'm trying to match the lack of trust in him to giving him a fair chance to participate, since if he does prove a trustworthy and capable player it'll enrich the game. Hence my IM conversation with him and the various proposals. If he doesn't, well, let's cross that bridge when we get to it, hmmm?
Oh, and Shroom? No. I don't object to, say, shifting the Emmerian Isles a bit to the west, south-west, maybe closer to Canissia, but it's not being moved to off the Northeast American coast.
Raj, $1.1 Trillion? I thought you were a Principality, yeah, but a jump from $800B to $1100B is sounds a bit over the overall 20% or so increase of the last nine years you've postulated. As of 2015 or 2016 I had my GDP raised from $1.24T to $1.28T, since I figured that the collapse of world trade from the Pathogen War and the resulting economic woes would do a major number on economic growth.
