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Well, posted.

Since everyone seems to have forgotten that there are other nations on the continent, I dealt with them as well.

Note that Shroomania and the FUN are not defenders of anything, the attack was Astaria's alone.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Note that Shroomania and the FUN are not defenders of anything, the attack was Astaria's alone.

We didn't even put any defensive assets on Astaria *shrug*

That said, the Orthodox and Latin Patriarchs never got along anyhow.

Except you were willing to accept "indentured servitude" in lieu of abolishment of slavery.

Shep isn't being totally honest. He delivered around 50 tons of various agents. Undoubtedly he mixed them inside each warhead (else fighting disease would be easier). So that comes out to around 25 tons of Anthrax derivatives, or 250 kg of Anthrax per city. Yeah, the city will be contaminated pretty badly if he released spores before impact. Yeah, it's deadly crap.

But Norseman's attack would have a similar amount of anthraxite agents thrown on the Shepistan-OD island. Of course, mixed with other agents as well. Even if he downed 2/3rd of his balloons, Shep would be looking at the same level of contamination. Even if his aerostates carried around 100 kg each and he launched 300 of them, even after downing 2/3rds of that, 10 tons would be delivered which is on the same order as what Shepistan threw against Astaria.

If the payloads had proximity fuzing, or not, regardless, the stricken balloons' over Shepistan would still pose a threat - once they fall down, their payloads still explode. Thus the "downed" balloons still released their deadly payload.

Only the 30% lost over the sea are truly "lost".

So Shepistan's population is also dead if that's what Shep thinks such an attack would do.

Worse yet, due to the balloons slow speed, they would spread spores far more effectively and methodically, contaminating shitloads of territory.

If Astaria loses "95% of population", Shepistan is likewise dead.

Asstaria launched two thousand balloons.

Hey lonestar....

I am therefore announcing that if a member of the Flock were to kill a defender of Astarian Slavery, his sins would be absolved. To kill a slaver is not murder, but the path to Heaven…"

Does this mean that Shepistan's sins against the Old DOminion are absolved?

I say you all nominate me as a fair and impartial moderator for this game.

I will make one half of Shepland sink to the ocean. Guess which half.

MKSheppard wrote:Hey lonestar....

I am therefore announcing that if a member of the Flock were to kill a defender of Astarian Slavery, his sins would be absolved. To kill a slaver is not murder, but the path to Heaven…"

Does this mean that Shepistan's sins against the Old DOminion are absolved?

While you may be square with God, the Old Dominion is a bit more hardnose about such things.

The Old Dominion can always arrange the Sheppos' meeting with God?

Lonestar wrote:Except you were willing to accept "indentured servitude" in lieu of abolishment of slavery.

Yeah, structured in such a way so as to guarantee abolition in ten years.

Not to mention later on, they rolled over and chose Setzer as their King, which pretty much guarantees no dirty tricks from the government - hell, for all you know, Sirnoth would've accelerated full abolition!

Yeah, I suppose it's completely unreasonable we accepted that. After all, the only real way to abolish slavery is to have a huge war over it!

Lonestar wrote:While you may be square with God, the Old Dominion is a bit more hardnose about such things.

Ah, well, we have to start somewhere after all.

If Norseman launched 2000 aerostates with an altitude of 30 km and nominal capacity of 100 kg (bog standard for the kind of strats the USA and USSR was contemplating as recon, elint, etc), and 30% of them were lost over open sea, that still leaves us with 1200 balloons ("downed" ones still throw anthrax around) and 120 tons of biological weapons and 60 tons of anthraxites alone (calculating a 50% anthrax, 50% other shit mix) dispersed over Shepistan.

Incidentally, 15% of 1/3rd of the launch... That's 90 balloons and 900 kg of bioweapons dispersed over Old Dominion territory, with ~450 kg anthraxites.

So Shepistan and Astaria are both suffering million numbering casualties - either we just kill off both of them with a loss of 95% of population as Shep proposes... or we go with my estimate of ~30 million dead (incidentally that assumes all cities stricken are million-populated, which is false, so the fatality number may be less... still huge)

Old Dominion suffers either a thousand casualties if those did not impact population centers, or anywhere between 10000 and 100,000 casualties as a result.

Take your pick.

P.S. Guess which is my pick? That's right, Astaria and Shepistan both die. Prevents future problems as well.

P.P.S. Of course I presume Shep and Norseman both exchanged easily available epizootic-inducing agents such as a cocktail of FMD, livestock plagues, weaponized rinderpest). Which means, um... according to the calculator:
http://www.nrdc.org/media/pressreleases/030313.asp
Around ~500,000 to 1 million square miles of territories in Shepistan and Astaria are contaminated with anti-livestock agents mixed with anti-human ones.

Yeah, sure: withing 3 months, everyone most likely dies yeah, right! Everyone is DEAD!!

I have to admit, I was cooking up a zombie scenario myself, as well...

We had a lot more "whacky science" fun in the previous game, after all...

So now that we have figured, if both sides used their weapons properly, both are dead.

I felt a little sad, so I drew up a sad dialogue between President Stanislav and Yuri.

I still believe I did what's best for everyone. Shepistan and Astaria killed themselves.

Hey stas; I just uncovered a major MAJOR MAJOR flaw in Norseman's attack.

He tried to be cute and tricky; and fucked himself in the ass with it.

It was staring me in the face all this time, but I didn't realize it until now.

Even the lowest of them [balloons] hung at 100,000 feet, though some were over 110,000 feet in the air.

If you want to reach those kinds of altitudes, and do it over a long enough period to make it reliable as a deep strike weapon; guess what? The balloons will have to be ENORMOUS. We're talking several million cubic feet of helium/hydrogen minimal.

The Japanese balloon bombs in WW2 only reached about 30,000+ feet minimum, by the way.

Link

This is a photograph of one such high altitude (125,000 ft) balloon being launched in Antartica in 1987. Clearly, this is not something that you can spam a lot of fast in the numbers that Norseman claims.

I think where norseman got his idea from was those "homemade" science experiment balloons which have reached 75,000 to 90,000 feet. He forgot that:

1.) Said balloons had no range, they literally came up and went back down in a short period of time

and

2.) Said balloons had very tiny payloads. Literally only a few kilos, which leaves very little room for a control system and bomblets.

Most likely case is a couple of balloons get into the air; and then Shepistani Air Force comes and bombs/rockets/strafes the ship to oblivion before it can launch it's other 90 balloons.

With that in mind, here's my revised attack scenarios:

SHEPISTAN VS ASTARIA:

Phase One:

60 x SS-26s: 1,000 lbs warhead each
90 x SLCMs, 2,000 lbs warhead each (it IS launched from a 26" tube, so we can improve warhead over a TLAM, which must fire from a 21" tube)

120 tons of agents in Phase One launched in total. About 60 tons or so impact in Astaria.

Phase Two:

12 x JB-89s (Tu-22M4s) dropping 69 x 550 lb bombs each

227.7 tons of agents in Phase Two. All impact Astaria.

ASTARIA VS SHEPISTAN:

100 balloons launched against Shepistan in total. There are to be 200 more balloons launched; but they're sunk on board the ships when the Shepistani Air Force shows up and bombs them into oblivion.

30 overshoot Shepland due to jetstream at high altitudes pushing them over the maximum set limits in their computers for ground speed. They eventually come down in the sea well past Shepland after their hydrogen on board leaks out.

40 shot down with air defenses at very long ranges -- Hey guess what? Something made of mylar and having several million cubic feet of gas in it is gonna make a bitchin' radar reflector; and guess what? I have a very long ranged missile in the BOMARC; with a huge warhead that will be a hell of a lot more effective in the thin air up that high; and guess what? Balloons can't manouver, unlike a manned aircraft!

So I can shoot them down well before they reach Shepistan. However, doing this expends Shepistan's last BOMARC warstocks, pretty much. We're out of them now.

15 come down over OD controlled lands

15 come down over Shepistani controlled lands.

Total payload attempted to be delivered: 66,000 lbs.
Total Payload ACTUALLY delivered: 3,330 pounds each onto Shepistan and OD.

See guys? This is why I keep my schemes remarkably simple and easy, such as using Submarines to spam heavy SRBMs and ALCMs onto Astaria. They can be launched fast, arrive fast, and carry heavy warloads.

When you get into cute trickery like balloons, and you don't know what you're doing, it fucks your plans up.

Wow its been a a fun source of action here, so much for peace heheh anyway:

I have actually the newer Eurofighter Typhoon Tranch IV. It's not an upgrade but rather a radical revision of the basic aircraft. Basically with conformal fuel tanks/FAST packs, an uprated engine and strengthened airframe and full air to ground abilities. For ASW there's the Tu-142BM aircraft, which can fire supersonic missiles.

I would be interested in purchasing 12, name your price

Of course, if you throw in more Super Tucanos and Spartans, the bill will go up accordingly. With 20 Super Tucanos and 10 Spartans, the bill's now $1.672 billion; once I find out how many Panthers you want, I'll calculate the final total.

12 panthers please, will probably be utility copters in type due to the variant I selected.

Umm, I really don't know. I suppose the howitzers would go for about 160 million per battalion (16), while each helicopter would cost 30 million each. MLRS systems are 5 million per unit, since it's basically a rocket pod on a truck and some radar.

In short:
1 battalion M109 SP guns: 160 million ROBs
1 battalion MLRS systems: 80 million ROBs
1 CH-53 heavy lift copter: 30 million ROBs

8 battalions of the MLRS and 12 CH 53'S.

So thats 1.4 billion, deal.

Still interested in the Migs and the Rafale's btw Siege and Pezook.

Also on the subject of mad weapons, what is the stance on them? I mean I would like to have the Blob from the B movie series of the same name. Would it be alright if I did not push it too far or wanked it as some l33t weapon (if I was allowed to have one it would be even be used as a weapon)?

So I'm running my Country calculator for a post-war budget spread.

I'm assuming that my pop has shrunk to 145 million (pre war 170 million), and my GDP has plummeted from $4,000 USD to about $1,500 USD in the wake of the attacks, and the measures taken to prevent infection.

I'm also assuming corruption has exploded from 8% pre-war to an astounding 40%. (oh hey, lets keep this bag of MREs for ourselves, fuck everyone else).

This means that out of a pre-war budget of $37.5 billion actually available for my military, I've shrunk down to just $9.1 billion. Granted, we can keep people working at gunpoint, but eventually, you gotta pay 'em with SOMETHING more credible than "you get to live more".

So this means my military shrinks to:

75,000 men in 2 Infantry Divisions
25,000 men in 1 Infantry Division (Reserve)
52,000 men in 1 Armored Division (Special Republican Guard)
75,000 men in my Navy and 4 x SSANs (the remainder of my SSANs will be laid up)
75,000 men in Air Force (45 x Tu-22M4s, 30 x KC-22s, 72 x Su-17M4s, 72 x Japanistani Interceptors, and 480 SAMs)

Grim....

*thinks*

OH GOD

This means the Old Dominion can attack me with a 3-1 superiority and win!

Must conclude long term peace treaty with OD...

Heh...why buy obsolete M109s when you can buy shiny new modern Pzh2000 from the Old Continent, saving a fortune on transport, training, maintenance and replacement costs?

What is the difference and what is the price for both?

Bluewolf wrote:

Of course, if you throw in more Super Tucanos and Spartans, the bill will go up accordingly. With 20 Super Tucanos and 10 Spartans, the bill's now $1.672 billion; once I find out how many Panthers you want, I'll calculate the final total.

12 panthers please, will probably be utility copters in type due to the variant I selected.

Okay, so 12 utility Panthers at a price of $10 million each...final total comes to exactly $1.792 billion, which I'll just round to a flat $1.8 billion to account for spare parts, training, and other such expenses.

Your final order from me is now:

• EMB 314/A-29 Super Tucano x 20
• CP-140 Aurora x 12
• T-50 Golden Eagle x 12
• C-27J Spartan x 10
• AS565 UB Panther x 12

Ok, it is agreed, thank you. Post the purchase in the story thread please.

I agree that Shepistan is dead and that the Old DOminion gets some prime real-estate to make strip malls and retirement homes on.

Who's with me?




EDIT:

Shep, Shroomania and the FUN never declared war on Shepistan, all we had is a massive deceptive military exercise in Sirnoth to divert your attention while Astaria launched its weapons of vengeance to murder every Shepistani alive.

It's just Zor who declared war, so... yeah.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:I agree that Shepistan is dead and that the Old DOminion gets some prime real-estate to make strip malls and retirement homes on.

Want to do that?

We should totally just accept the fact that Shepistan and Astaria are wiped out!

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Shep, Shroomania and the FUN never declared war on Shepistan, all we had is a massive deceptive military exercise in Sirnoth to divert your attention while Astaria launched its weapons of vengeance to murder every Shepistani alive.

It's just Zor who declared war, so... yeah.

Anyway, Stas, what do you want to talk about?