The Official Episode III spoiler thread

[Crossroads Inc.]

*giggles*

Anyone else find the humor in those guards being listed as Redshirts?

[LapsedPacifist]

Picked up the novel and read it yesterday. While the dialogue is cringeworthy and the Lucasisms creep into it I was pretty impressed. The lack of any characters dedicated entirely to comic relief was very welcome.


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[Vympel]

I liked the dialog personally.

Did you notice, though, that the novelization didn't even cover Kashyyk? Not at all. I have the feeling that in RotS the entire Kashyyk sequence is merely action for action's sake. I understand they have to get Yoda out of Coruscant (the novelization goes into detail abou the Jedi Council's plan to get Sidious to reveal himself, and that includes getting Yoda out of play on Coruscant so Sidious would be more comfortable in making a drastic move)- but still, Kashyyk is basically going to be:

- Cool, Wookies!
- Cool, Juggernauts!

etc.

[Gorefiend]

so another special effects/cgi brawl fest

[Vympel]

Pretty much. I mean, not that this is necessarily going to be bad, I mean, the Clone Wars aren't over until the last 20 minutes of the film or so, and one more ground battle with JUGGERNAUTS rules, but still ...

I have a feeling that even though it's obviously an apology of sorts for not having Wookies in RotS like originally planned, watching it will make us even more annoyed that it wasn't the Wookies who fought the Empire on Endor (or Kashyyk, whatever) and instead those stupid Ewoks.

I mean, seriously, can you imagine what that scene at the start of the Battle of Endor would look like if the horn blew and hundreds of fucking Wookies appeared, toting bowcasters and chucking Stormtroopers every which way?

[Gorefiend]

I wasn’t saying that it’s going to be bad, it’s just all the big “epic” movies in the past few years had cgi battle fests, including Star Wars. I am just getting a bit bored of cgi warriors beating each other up, but at least we get some nice duelling scenes (I hope at least) in Star Wars.

[Mange]

so another special effects/cgi brawl fest

I frankly don't care if the special effects or whatever are CG, models etc. just as long as they're good enough.

[NecronLord]

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

The novel canonises that nonsense about mechanical-vader being only able to reach a fraction of the power he used to be able to.

The final version of the Death Star was indeed started around the time Leia arrived on Alderann, and before the Lars family got Luke.

And, thankfully, the Windu & friends vs Palpy fight looks different in the trailer than the book version. The book has Palpy start by getting the first one to lower his guard, and decapitating him with a saber throw.

In good news:

Gen Grevious can make no less than twenty strikes with his lightsabers per second.

Obi-wan is now the Jedi Order's premier swordsman in Mace Windu's opinion.

The jedi habit of taking the Younglings so early was part of their downfall. The New Jedi Order's ones are no weaker than Old Republic Jedi, they are in fact, more likely to win against a dark sider, because they're not simply trained from near birth to fight the last war, but actually have personalities of their own.

Emperor Palpatine has two lightsabers.

[VT-16]

so another special effects/cgi brawl fest

Well, look at it this way, we get two battles (on Kashyyyk and Utapau) for one Dark Side Conversion. I´d say that´s not a bad deal. Especially since people have been complaining about "not enough wars in Star Wars".

Overall, the Clone Wars will cover more or less 8 battles in two films, while the Galactic Civil War covered 3 battles in three films. Not bad.

I don´t care what FX they use, as long as it looks good. Judging by the trailers, it looks good.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

You know, looking at scans from the art books and such, I'm really glad that Iain McCaig has been one of the concept artists for the Prequel Trilogy. A lot of his stuff, used in the final versions or not, are just beautiful, and I simply love his distinct drawing style.

[VT-16]

Which designs was he responsible for?

[Ghost Rider]

The novel canonises that nonsense about mechanical-vader being only able to reach a fraction of the power he used to be able to.

Seriously?!

Does it basically describe when he gets off the table he's weaker or something more explicit?

[VT-16]

I think it was Lucas who said that, in the suit he´s slightly weaker than Palpatine, while before the suit he was more powerful than him. This apparently annoys Palpatine, since he wanted a strong apprentice that would lead the Empire after his death and continue the Sith legacy. (Or so I read somewhere...)

[Ghost Rider]

I think it was Lucas who said that, in the suit he´s slightly weaker than Palpatine, while before the suit he was more powerful than him. This apparently annoys Palpatine, since he wanted a strong apprentice that would lead the Empire after his death and continue the Sith legacy. (Or so I read somewhere...)

I know that...but Necron said that the novel canonize it. That's what I'm wondering.

[VT-16]

The novel and it´s contents would be C-canon, as far as I´m concerned. Haven´t read it, though, so I don´t know if what he said is true.

[NecronLord]

This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever:

...

You rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you (Palpy to you and me) but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone blind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a memory, and so, with all your world destroying fury, it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.

[Ghost Rider]

This is how it feels to be Anakin Skywalker, forever:

...

You rage and scream and reach through the Force to crush the shadow who has destroyed you (Palpy to you and me) but you are so far less now than what you were, you are more than half machine, you are like a painter gone plind, a composer gone deaf, you can remember where the power was but the power you can touch is only a member, and so, with all your world destroying fury, it is only droids around you that implode, and equipment, and the table on which you were strapped shatters, and in the end, you cannot touch the shadow.

Thanks.

And I agree with the Argh.

[NecronLord]

The novel and it´s contents would be C-canon, as far as I´m concerned. Haven´t read it, though, so I don´t know if what he said is true.

It is directly based on a scene in the movie. Thus, G level canon. What novellists and VD writers add to scenes in the movies, (such as the Shuura fruit's name) is G level.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Which designs was he responsible for?

A lot of general stuff here and there throughout, really, primarily characters. For TPM, he did a lot of the Naboo stuff such as several Padme costumes. Also did Darth Maul and several Jedi.

For AotC, McCaig really pushed for having Count Dooku's character be a woman, and the final designs for such eventually would be used for Ventress. Also had the earlier idea of making the character a female droid/cyborg Sith, which might have given some inspiration for Grievous.

[NecronLord]

I think it was Lucas who said that, in the suit he´s slightly weaker than Palpatine, while before the suit he was more powerful than him. This apparently annoys Palpatine, since he wanted a strong apprentice that would lead the Empire after his death and continue the Sith legacy. (Or so I read somewhere...)

Yes. Before falling into the lava, Vader was ready to kill Sidious and take over the galaxy after he extracted Plagueis' secrets from him. After, he tries and fails.

[Vympel]

Yes. Before falling into the lava, Vader was ready to kill Sidious and take over the galaxy after he extracted Plagueis' secrets from him. After, he tries and fails.

Actually, that may not be necessarily true. The same extract goes on to say that Vader doesn't really want to kill "the shadow". We see this in Vader's attitude in TESB and RotJ- he vacillates from destroying the Emperor and ruling the galaxy with his son to obeying his Master without question.

Also, I think your "lightsabre throw" intepretation is a bit off- it's clear to me that Sidious sped from his chair to decapitate whatshisface and back. Hence him having to go back to the desk to destroy the recording device.

I also don't think Sidious' lightsabre will be destroyed by Mace in the film. More likely it'll be kicked out of his hand, as depicted by the comic.

My canon analysis of the novelization is complete, btw. I just need to post it.

[Crown]

I also don't think Sidious' lightsabre will be destroyed by Mace in the film. More likely it'll be kicked out of his hand, as depicted by the comic.

That's the way I read it in the script too, which by the way kicks so much ass (despite the Lucasisms in it), although I still avoided the Obi-Wan/Anakin brawl, keepin' myself spoiler free on that one.

[Manus Celer Dei]

Gen Grevious can make no less than twenty strikes with his lightsabers per second.

Per second? Whaaaaaaat?

Emperor Palpatine has two lightsabers.

As in, he has a spare for if his first gets lost in a battle, or in he uses two at the same time?

[VT-16]

No real surprise. According to the ESB novelization, during training, Yoda expected Luke to split a pipe in seven pieces in an instant.

Sidious has a spare.

[NecronLord]

Per second? Whaaaaaaat?

As in, an enemy will get up to twenty potentially killing strikes from his lightsabers in a single second.

As in, he has a spare for if his first gets lost in a battle, or in he uses two at the same time?

Spare.