Super-Everything must GO! Tuesday!

[Crossroads Inc.]

It's also fun to note that Obama was strongest on the ground in places where the Democrats need to fight hard in November (the South and Midwest) whereas Clinton was strongest in places that are basically a given for the Democrats (the coastal liberal belts).

Thats actually a very important point! Newyork and Cali are Democrat givewns, but he had Huge numbers in many of the soutrhen states. if ANYone was going to break the strangle hold the GOP has on the south it would be Obama, and as the past elections have shown, just one or two states may make all the diferance.

[Gambler]

I think it is asians and hispanics.

Hispanics are Clinton's greatest backers. Many asians are racist and have many code words to name blacks. If you think the N word is bad for blacks you haven't heard the words asians use to label blacks. Hispanics want to back immigration reform. I would argue there's more of a chance of this than woman versus man -- this isn't the feminist movement of the 80's.

I will see if there's numbers to back up my hypothesis.

I think you are right with your hypothesis. I read this in a spanish newspaper, in New York Hillary took 75% of the latin/hispanic vote and Obama only 24% and in California Hillary took 52% and Obama only 19% of the hispanic vote. (spanish newspaper as source)

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

I remember some time back that some were saying that Hispanics do not like African Americans too much as they regard the latter as economic competitors. If that's the reason why they don't like Obama, I am going to roll my eyes till they roll off.

[Xisiqomelir]

I remember some time back that some were saying that Hispanics do not like African Americans too much as they regard the latter as economic competitors. If that's the reason why they don't like Obama, I am going to roll my eyes till they roll off.

Ready to start rolling?

Minorities in America don't trust each other

WASHINGTON (AFP) — The three main minorities in the United States -- blacks, Hispanics and Asians -- have little trust for each other and hold prejudiced views about Americans of different ethnic origins to their own, a poll showed Wednesday.

"This extraordinary poll reveals some unflattering realities that exist in America today," said Sandy Close, head of new America Media (NAM) which sponsored the poll together with ethnic media groups.

Forty-four percent of Hispanics and 47 percent of Asians are "afraid of African-Americans because they are responsible for most of the crime," the survey of 1,105 adults drawn from the three ethnic groups showed.

More than half of black Americans polled and 46 percent of Hispanics said Asian business owners do not treat them with respect.

And half of African-Americans said Latin American immigrants "are taking jobs, housing and political power away from the black community."

Hispanics and Asians, whose populations are made up mainly of immigrants, were positive about the American dream, saying that those who work hard in the United States reap the rewards of their toil.

In contrast, more than 60 percent of African-Americans dismissed the American dream as not working for them.

All three ethnic groups viewed white Americans in a more favorable light than they did members of another minority.

Sixty-one percent of Hispanics, 54 percent of Asians and 47 percent of African-Americans said they would rather do business with whites than members of the other two groups.

"The poll reaffirms that while race relations between ethnic groups and whites grab the headlines, there are also serious racial problems between minority groups in America," said Sergio Bendixen, an expert on Hispanic and multilingual polling.

"Blacks feel they are left out of the American Dream and are being displaced by newcomers, and each group buys into the negative stereotypes about the other two," he said.

The three minority groups did agree that the United States would be a better place if blacks, Asians and Hispanics held more authoritative positions at universities, in business, media and government.

They also said they believe racial tensions in the United States will ease over the next 10 years.

[Fire Fly]

Obama has more cash? That's surprising, given how Hillery seems to have the support of the Establishment and all. Come on, Obama! You can win this!

Hillary Clinton might get a sudden upsurge in votes if she menstruates and holds up her bloody tampon for the American public to see.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the ovaries and uterus of a President, and of a President of America too!

Yeah, Obama has been ahead of her when it comes to cash for almost the entire race. And most of his donations are coming in small amounts from actual voters, as opposed to corporations and lobbyists.

She is fucking busto. She needed NH badly because the campaign was pretty much running on air after Iowa. Her January monies were only $13M, she ran ads in only 12 states vs Obama's 29 (!) and Matthews and Olbermann were both laughing their asses off at the "1 debate/week" request because they know she's desperate for the TV time she can't afford to buy.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/20 ... /#comments

Clinton loans herself $5 million
Posted: 06:20 PM ET
Clinton said Wednesday she loaned her campaign $5 million in January.


NEW YORK (CNN) — Democrat Hillary Clinton loaned her presidential campaign $5 million in January, the New York senator said Wednesday.

"I loaned the campaign $5 million dollars from my money," she said at a press conference at her Arlington, Virginia headquarters. "I loaned it because I believe in this campaign and I think the results last night proved the wisdom of my investment."

Earlier Wednesday, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson confirmed reports Clinton had lent her campaign money in January, and said "The loan illustrates Sen. Clinton's commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation."

The news comes days after Barack Obama's campaign announced it had raised $32 million in January alone. Clinton campaign Chairman Terry McAuliffe later said the Clinton campaign raised less than half that in the same period — about $13.5 million. The $5 million Clinton loaned to herself was in addition to the $13.5 million she raised.

In his statement Wednesday, Wolfson also said Clinton's Super Tuesday victories have brought in a fresh wave of campaign cash.

"We have had one of our best fundraising efforts ever on the Web today and our Super Tuesday victories will only help in bringing more support for her candidacy."

According to Clinton's latest Federal Election Commission report, had roughly $18.5 million cash on hand that could be spent during the primary season heading into January’s initial contests.

News of Clinton's loan came the same day the campaign sent out a fundraising e-mail to supporters with the goal of raising $3 million in three days.

"We had a great day yesterday," the e-mail said. "Now we must keep that momentum going. You have sustained me throughout this journey, and I am calling on you again to give our campaign the resources we need to win critical upcoming races."

I think she's also running out of money.

[Fire Fly]

And more signs point to an Obama cash rich campaign from small time donors:

Link

Obama on pace to raise $30 mil in Feb

By: Jeanne Cummings
Feb 6, 2008 05:41 PM EST
Barack Obama
The Obama camp reported last week that it raised $32 million last month.

Barack Obama’s campaign is on track to raise another $30 million in February, sources close to the Illinois senator say, while Hillary Rodham Clinton’s spokesman revealed Wednesday that she had loaned her campaign $5 million.

Insiders in both campaigns say the growing financial disparity virtually ensures that Obama will be able to significantly outspend Clinton in the critical primaries to come.

Even before all the Super Tuesday votes were counted, Obama began airing advertisements in Nebraska, Virginia, the District of Columbia, Maryland and Maine — the next round of primary and caucus states — before Clinton did.

His campaign has raised $2.2 million in the past 24 hours, sources say.

“Obama’s financial superiority is straining the Clinton campaign at this point. That’s reflected in how he spread the field on her in Super Tuesday.

His ability to advertise in more states than she did, to put more resources on the ground than she did,” gave Obama an edge, said Anthony Corrado, an expert on campaign finance at Colby College.

The continuing infusion of cash will allow Obama to remain a step ahead of Clinton as the primary map shifts to states where he has some built-in advantages and more time to interact with voters who are less familiar with him than with the New York senator.

Bill Burton, an Obama spokesman, cautioned that the fundraising pace may slip and downplayed talk of another $30 million month.

“We’re obviously pleased with the amount of grass-roots support that we have, but it’s way too early to be making predictions like that,” he said.

Even so, an extraordinary February seems less far-fetched coming on the heels of a stunning January.

The Obama camp reported last week that it raised $32 million last month. The Clinton campaign reported raising $14 million, and it is unclear if that includes the Clintons’ personal loan.

And, according to the Obama campaign, only 3 percent of his donors have given the maximum $2,300 donation for the primary.

That means he can go back to the vast majority of his supporters, over and over again, and ask them to send another check.

Indeed, the strength of the Obama fundraising machine from the outset was based on its unusual recruitment and reliance on small donors.
According to a study by The Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan organization that tracks political giving, only about a third of the donors who gave Obama $200 or more had given the maximum.

In contrast, Clinton raised about half of her money from donors who gave the maximum.

More striking, the report found that nearly half of Obama’s individual contributors in the fourth quarter of 2007 gave donations of $200 or less — amounts so small that the Federal Election Commission doesn’t even demand the givers be named on disclosure reports.

According to the campaign, that pattern continued in January. Of the thousands of Internet donations Obama received, 90 percent amounted to less than $100 each. Ten thousand people gave between $5 and $10.

In January alone, the Obama campaign raised more than $28 million from Internet donations, more than the entire amount raised by the groundbreaking Internet-based campaign of Howard Dean in 2004.

The infusion of money “is testament to the grass-roots support we have from all over the country and shows a financial sustainability that the other campaigns don’t appear to have,” said Burton.

The Clinton campaign is acutely aware of the risks posed by the Obama financial juggernaut.

Spokesman Howard Wolfson said Wednesday that Clinton loaned her campaign money to illustrate her “commitment to this effort and to ensuring that our campaign has the resources it needs to compete and win across this nation.”

The campaign sent out an appeal for cash as soon as Clinton began pocketing big victories on Super Tuesday.

It’s also working to elevate the presence of its website — and its online giving features.

One of the major advantages of Internet donations is that it doesn’t cost a campaign much money to raise them.

More traditional fundraising activities, such as hotel gatherings and direct mail, are not as efficient.

The calendar does have some bright spots for Clinton. The slower pace between contests will allow time for her to fly to big fundraisers in California and New York, even as she taps the pockets of donors in big upcoming primary states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania.

“We’re going to have more than enough resources to do what we need to do,” said spokesman Phil Singer.

But Corrado cautioned that Clinton’s fundraising appeals will be delivered at the same time that Obama could be capturing primary titles in Virginia, Louisiana and Maryland.

“She has a calendar now that does not favor her. This will be a real test of the loyalty and enthusiasm of the Clinton fundraising base,” he said.

[Mlenk]

I was just curious. How financially well-off are the Clintons? While 5 million is not a massive amount of money, it's still nothing to exactly sneeze at. I didn't realize she's that well-off that she could just loan herself that amount of money seemingly on a whim.

[Xisiqomelir]

I was just curious. How financially well-off are the Clintons? While 5 million is not a massive amount of money, it's still nothing to exactly sneeze at. I didn't realize she's that well-off that she could just loan herself that amount of money seemingly on a whim.

Candidate Net Worth

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Mitt and Ann Romney             $202 million
John and Elizabeth Edwards 	$54.7 million
Rudy Giuliani 	                $52.2 million
John and Cindy McCain           $40.4 million
Hillary and Bill Clinton        $34.9 million
Fred Thompson                   $8.1 million
Barack and Michelle Obama       $1.3 million

[Metatwaddle]

Hillary Clinton might get a sudden upsurge in votes if she menstruates and holds up her bloody tampon for the American public to see.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the ovaries and uterus of a President, and of a President of America too!

I voted for Obama, but I still think you can take this misogynistic bullshit and shove it.

[Metatwaddle]

It's also fun to note that Obama was strongest on the ground in places where the Democrats need to fight hard in November (the South and Midwest) whereas Clinton was strongest in places that are basically a given for the Democrats (the coastal liberal belts).

People are actually saying the same thing about McCain, but in a pessimistic or critical context: that he can only win the primary in states where the Republicans are never going to win in the general election. It's not entirely true, though: he won in Florida and Missouri (swing states) and Oklahoma and South Carolina (Republican states).

[Stravo]

Hillary Clinton might get a sudden upsurge in votes if she menstruates and holds up her bloody tampon for the American public to see.

I know I have the body but of a weak and feeble woman, but I have the ovaries and uterus of a President, and of a President of America too!

I voted for Obama, but I still think you can take this misogynistic bullshit and shove it.

How misogynistic is that when the quote is a paraphrase from Queen Elizabeth addressing her troops to get them riled up to repel a possible Spanish invasion?

[Metatwaddle]

I must have missed the part when Queen Elizabeth waved her tampon in front of the Spanish Armada.

[Ford Prefect]

I must have missed the part when Queen Elizabeth waved her tampon in front of the Spanish Armada.

I must have missed the part where Hilary Clinton isn't a political whore who would use the fact that she's a woman to get votes. Given that she already tried that with her crying episode recently. Shroomy's comment has nothing to do with women, and it has everything to do with what a fucking sell-out Clinton is.

[Flagg]

I must have missed the part when Queen Elizabeth waved her tampon in front of the Spanish Armada.

It was cut out of the movie, but it totally happened.

Hillary is perfectly happy to try and exploit her being a woman if she thinks it will help her. When she pulled that crocodile tears bullshit before the NH primaries it looked like she got a boost, so I have no doubt she's going to try it again, as she did before Tuesday. If anyone is being misogynistic it's Clinton.

[Broomstick]

I remember some time back that some were saying that Hispanics do not like African Americans too much as they regard the latter as economic competitors. If that's the reason why they don't like Obama, I am going to roll my eyes till they roll off.

They are economic competitors.

Prior to the recent wave of Hispanic immigration, and especially prior to 1970, most of the jobs now dominated by Hispanics were held by African-Americans. Granted, cleaning hotel rooms, busing tables in restaurants, and so forth are not glamorous or well-paying, but they ARE jobs and income.

Of course, it is now easier for blacks to rise socially and economically in the US than it was 50 years ago - but that doesn't mean that the folks living on the bottom of the economy aren't scrambling for those low-wage but necessary for them jobs. Hell, even some of us white folks have been known to paint houses, wash dogs, and scrub floors when necessary for survival.

There can be some nasty ethnic tensions between groups in the US. Sometimes, it goes back to events in the "old country". Irish immigrating to the US gravitated to the police forces in part because of oppression in Ireland - they saw it not only as a job opportunity but a means of gaining power to protect themselves. After awhile, they so dominated the police force in certain areas that it became difficult for those in other groups to get those jobs. Jews that were denied the right to own property in Eastern Europe sometimes invested heavily in real estate in the US - leading to Jews being the landlords for lots of other minorities in places like New York City and generating quite a bit of tension. Koreans for some reason were willing to open up stores in heavily black neighborhoods, despite frequent hold-ups - I have no clue if this was due to some influence in Korea or just a historic accident - but it has lead to a lot of problems between culture clashes* and a perception that they were price-gouging and draining money from black people.

* Koreans, apparently, have a custom of bouncing coins on the countertop, connected with the sound and ideas of it bringing luck, but involving no contact between shopowner and customer. American blacks, however, are quite sensitive to people avoiding skin contact with them and often take this as prejudiced rejection. In Chicago, some city agency managed to figure this out and suggested a modification of custom. It is now not uncommon for such Korean shopowners to bounce coins off the counter, catch them, then place them directly in the hands of their black customers, thus satisfying the needs of both groups and reducing tensions. Sometimes it really is the small things that count.

The upshot is that yes, there really are reasons for voting and not voting based on ethnic tensions, and those tensions are not always without some historical basis. People vote in what they perceive is their own self-interest. If Hispanics refuse to vote for a black man for fear that he will favor his own I may question their premise but I can't fault their reasoning.

[brianeyci]

The Obama camp reported last week that it raised $32 million last month. The Clinton campaign reported raising $14 million, and it is unclear if that includes the Clintons’ personal loan.

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Hillary and Bill Clinton        $34.9 million 

Hillary must be pissing her pants over the money issue. She's supposed to be big money, and she's running out.

[Pablo Sanchez]

People are actually saying the same thing about McCain, but in a pessimistic or critical context: that he can only win the primary in states where the Republicans are never going to win in the general election. It's not entirely true, though: he won in Florida and Missouri (swing states) and Oklahoma and South Carolina (Republican states).

The context is different given the relative status of the parties and the collosal, painful reverse coattail effect that Bush is wreaking on the GOP. The Democrats are in a position to push into ordinarily Republican areas and bleed them for votes, whereas the Republicans need to hang on to what they've still got.

[Fire Fly]

It seems that the Obama campaign has raised about $5.4 million in 24 hours since the closing of the Tuesday polls.

[Erik von Nein]

It seems that the Obama campaign has raised about $5.4 million in 24 hours since the closing of the Tuesday polls.

You would hope that would say quite a bit to the unpledged super-delegates. Hopefully they'll see how well that reflects on Obama's position amoung Democrats.

[Phantasee]

Shit, Obama is just a regular guy. My family is worth more than his! Counting the house and other properties, of course. If he has that much cash floating around, then he's pretty damn well off.

Most of his worth is probably through his house, like us. But 35 mill isn't chump change, Bill and Hill are clearly rolling in dough.

And shit, 200 million?! Old money? (Romney).

[Hawkwings]

Those values are net worth, and so would include property and investments.

[Xisiqomelir]

Shit, Obama is just a regular guy. My family is worth more than his! Counting the house and other properties, of course. If he has that much cash floating around, then he's pretty damn well off.

Most of his worth is probably through his house, like us. But 35 mill isn't chump change, Bill and Hill are clearly rolling in dough.

Actually, it's his book, I think.

And shit, 200 million?! Old money? (Romney).

Fucking bribe money. If nothing else in this election goes the way I'd like, I will at least have had the deep personal satisfaction of seeing M$'s candidate crash and burn.

[Pablo Sanchez]

And shit, 200 million?! Old money? (Romney).

Romney's wealth is a combination of inheritance from his father, who helmed the American Motor Corporation in the 1950s and '60s, and his own business career.

[Jadeite]

Honestly, I think things are going to be over for Clinton fairly soon. Obama has more delegates right now, far more money, and a much better organized and vocal base. The five million that she put into her campaign is already spent. Lack of funds is probably going to be the thing that does her campaign in.

[mingo]

Honestly, I think things are going to be over for Clinton fairly soon. Obama has more delegates right now, far more money, and a much better organized and vocal base. The five million that she put into her campaign is already spent. Lack of funds is probably going to be the thing that does her campaign in.

Goddess I hope so.