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Posted: 2008-03-16 08:44pm
by Thanas
Lord Poe wrote:What we need is Zahn to come back. He trashed KJA and other crap that happened since his original Thrawn books in the Hand of Thrawn duology. He should rip into the bitch.
Does Zahn even have any intention to go back to Star Wars? I haven't heard anything about him since alliance.
Posted: 2008-03-16 11:12pm
by Connor MacLeod
Joe Momma wrote:Tiriol wrote:What truly bothers me about Ms. Traviss' later works concerning the idiotic notion that "Republic's clonetroopers = Mandalorians" is that for almost their entire existence, the Mandalorian warriors have been enemies of the Republic.
The latest book (True Colors) addressed this to some degree by having some Republic troops that had recently faced Mandalorian mercenaries display some antipathy toward the Omega Squad commandos when said commandos referred to Mandalorian practices. This particular sub-plot was not developed very far, however. That's a shame since there was a lot of story potential in the idea of the commandos being confronted with the less-than-ideal reality of Mandalorian culture. Where's Carth Onasi when you need him?
In fact, even ARC troopers shown in Clone Wars comic series didn't praise the Mandalorian Way; yes, they had been trained by Jango Fett, but apparently Fett had forgotten how awesome, important and totally "cool" the Mandalorian culture was and how... necessary it is to train a professional soldier.
FWIW, you can sidestep that in the canon to some extent by virtue of the way in which the troops were trained. Many people were hired to train the clone troopers, not all of whom may have been Mandalorian.
Even in Traviss's books, the Null ARCs are only heavily steeped in Mando culture because they were personally raised by Kal Skirata. The other ARCs would not have been as directly influenced, as evidenced by the other appearances you note.
Likewise, the clone commandos in Trraviss's first book (Hard Contact) were not deeply entrenched in Mando culture. They had picked up a few choice words and concepts from Sergeant Kal, but even those were not necessarly Mando specific. Delta and Omega Squad didn't start drinking the Mando'ade until they fell under the full-time stewardship of their respective Mandalorian sergeants in the later books.
IOW, the clone commandos and ARCs in the Republic Commando novels can be explained as an aberrant cult of personality within the ranks and thus not indicative of the clone troopers as a whole. That also fits with the lack of Mando-wank in other depictions of the clone troopers.
Maybe then only the "3 million clones" were the Mandowank ones. It could then lend credence to the idea of multiple "grand armies" which is suggested elsewhere (the other grand armies wouldn't be "Mando-esque".)
Posted: 2008-03-17 10:12am
by PainRack
Jim Raynor wrote:
Not to mention Boba Fett willingly working for Jabba the Hutt, a fucking gangster and PROBABLE rapist given how he treated his slave girls. Honorable my ass.

you forgot. Bobba Fett was so "honourable" that he refused to rape Princess leia when Jabba offered her to him, and in the following discourse, both defended and condemned slavery. And of course, the reason why he's out hunting Rebel leaders is because rebellion against the natural order is unnatural and unjust.
Tales of the Bounty Hunters need to get the Bobba wank off them
Posted: 2008-03-17 10:39am
by PainRack
Darksider wrote:
Don't give them any ideas....
A mando novel by Traviss. That's the
last fucking thing we need

Well.... that really depends. I mean,depending on how you liked I Jedi, that novel establish how you could build a novel around a "cult" basis.
Posted: 2008-03-17 10:49am
by Darth Hoth
PainRack wrote:Darksider wrote:
Don't give them any ideas....
A mando novel by Traviss. That's the
last fucking thing we need

Well.... that really depends. I mean,depending on how you liked I Jedi, that novel establish how you could build a novel around a "cult" basis.
I honestly cannot see why people complain so much about Corran-wanking in
I, Jedi. The book actually
weakens him as opposed to the
X-wing series by establishing that his Jedi abilities are fairly minor, with some additional skill in certain less useful areas. It is a vast stretch indeed comparing it to Travissite wanktardry.
Posted: 2008-03-17 10:51am
by Kuja
I've said it many times: Corran Horn fucks up constantly. The man's one saving grace is that at least he realizes it and goes back to fix his cock-ups.
Posted: 2008-03-17 05:07pm
by Thanas
^That, and the fact that Stackpole can actually write a compelling story which revolves around bigger things instead of just making it all about Corran Horn, fighter hero of the galaxy.
Whereas Traviss LOTF books were just... Boba. Boba. BOBA. Oh, and look over there - Boba. Now admittedly I have only read the first of her LOTF Books, but that was how it sounded to me (and by the looks of it, nothing has improved since then).