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Gramzamber wrote:Even if it was real, Natal looks like a terrible idea to me.
If I want to be a motion capture actor I'll get a job as such and at least get paid for it. If not I'd rather sit my lazy ass on a chair and play that way, at least until they invent the holodeck.

If you can't see the appeal of a game like Dance Central to a fairly large demographic then .. well... it isn't being aimed at you so microsoft don't care?

I think we cant dismiss Natal until there is a few games released that utilize it as a form of input.

Sarevok wrote:I think we cant dismiss Natal until there is a few games released that utilize it as a form of input.

Natal has 15 games announced as launch titles. None of them look very appealing.

Why not? People are saying the concept is bad, which is clearly wrong. It's a great idea, all that's unknown is how well its carried off technically.

Stark wrote:Why not? People are saying the concept is bad, which is clearly wrong. It's a great idea, all that's unknown is how well its carried off technically.

They all look like one-trick ponies with no real depth of gameplay. So far all the games they've shown I'd expect to get bored with after 20 minutes.

Oh yeah, the GAMES look pretty bad (although the Dance one and Fitness ones are no more 'stupid' than the Wii versions), but the idea of 3d visualisation and voice control is solid. I just hope they clean up the Kinect UI so people who buy one can drive the Dashboard without needing a controller (which should make the Dashboard a lot less irritating).

Stark wrote:Oh yeah, the GAMES look pretty bad (although the Dance one and Fitness ones are no more 'stupid' than the Wii versions), but the idea of 3d visualisation and voice control is solid. I just hope they clean up the Kinect UI so people who buy one can drive the Dashboard without needing a controller (which should make the Dashboard a lot less irritating).

Yeah, I like the idea behind the interface. But the selection of games makes it really not worth leaping into. I don't like the thought of buying a $150 accessory that's just going to gather dust for months while I wait for something decent to come out.

The example of the Wii suggests that those good games may NEVER come out.

Zac Naloen wrote:

adam_grif wrote:

Zac Naloen wrote:
Of course that was fake, it's from a heavily choreographed cirque soleil show not a tech demo.

God, I want my 30 minutes back. I didn't know that, all I saw were the gifs and threads complaining about it. Fuck that was a terrible "event".

Man those people are idiots. I'm not convinced by the espn demostration but I wouldn't be surprised if everything else at the press conference was for real.

Apparently the Kinetical demo with the kid and some racing car demo were also faked, because with the lions and shit the hand movements weren't even close to what the little kid was doing, and with some racing car one we got some of the "negative lag" again.

Is this better or worse than when Sony plays a pre-rendered trailer for something and claims it's in-game footage?

So here's this giant enemy crab...


Sony doesn't do E3 too well, does it?

Losonti Tokash wrote:Is this better or worse than when Sony plays a pre-rendered trailer for something and claims it's in-game footage?

Equally bad. If they simply don't say what it is one way or another it's not as bad, because they aren't actually putting people up on stage holding controllers trying to mimic the action on-screen to make it look like it's really happening in real time. But yeah, Killzone 2 "real in-game footage" from all those years ago

adam_grif wrote:

Losonti Tokash wrote:Is this better or worse than when Sony plays a pre-rendered trailer for something and claims it's in-game footage?

Equally bad. If they simply don't say what it is one way or another it's not as bad, because they aren't actually putting people up on stage holding controllers trying to mimic the action on-screen to make it look like it's really happening in real time. But yeah, Killzone 2 "real in-game footage" from all those years ago

You don't know how that game is programmed though, if it's programmed to recognise certain hand positions = stroking, tickling etc and has an animation on screen to match that then that is what it will do. It won't necessarily completely replicated every hand move.

Take a look at the blurry image from the ubisoft tech demo, it doesn't even look like it has the resolution to pick up fast finger movements like that.


The connect joy ride complaints sound like bullshit to me as well, at the beginning of the video you can see her moving her hands around absent mindedly and the car bounces around on the track in accordance.

Indeed; especially for the dancing game, it's going to recognise any rough approximation of the gesture as correct, especially with the fudge of easy levels. Saying it is fake because it's not 1:1 is ridiculous.

And yeah zac, that dancing game looks like a licence to print sex.

EDIT:

Fuck, posting in the wrong thread.

Stark wrote:Indeed; especially for the dancing game, it's going to recognise any rough approximation of the gesture as correct, especially with the fudge of easy levels. Saying it is fake because it's not 1:1 is ridiculous.

And yeah zac, that dancing game looks like a licence to print sex.

What is this dancing game you're talking about? It's got to be some 360 title since I haven't heard any buzz about it, or whatever this crazy new motion capture doodad is. Printing sex sounds great, but it might be an interesting thing to develop for as well.

Harmonix Dance Central. It's hardly worth the 200 bucks it costs to play, but hopefully I can trick someone into buying it.

Dance Central Covenant,

It's disappointing because the up-tight geek community are laughing at the on stage demonstration with the guy who admitted he was a bad dancer, but was only there to demonstrate anyone can play the game.

Which is the whole appeal, just like karaoke or plastic guitar games.

Anything 18 year old girls are going to play all night lon gcan't be bad.

And that guys can watch whilst they play it, it's fucking street dancing. Arses moving all over the place.

Gametrailers has put up an "E3 Lowlights" video.

Favorite:

"ONE MIRRION TROOWPS. WOWWW."

Executor32 wrote:So here's this giant enemy crab...


Sony doesn't do E3 too well, does it?

I didn't catch on to that meme until a couple of weeks ago.

You attack its weak point for massive damage.

I've never laughed so hard in my life.

Overall Nintendo and EA in my opinion had the best conferences, everyone else had their moments, but overall it just didn't work. Sony was too bad though. And had Ubisoft laid of the Kinetic stuff, then there's would have been a lot better.

Stark wrote:The example of the Wii suggests that those good games may NEVER come out.

Oh, you're freaking hilarious.

I didn't catch on to that meme until a couple of weeks ago.

You attack its weak point for massive damage.

I've never laughed so hard in my life.

IMO the best bit was "We've got a lot of great new features in the game... like... real time... weapon change."

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=398285

I have animated gifs for everyone. Enjoy!!!

Personally I'd accept a little faking from Microsoft in this case, because a lot of the Natal demos I saw were in situations that would be really challenging for the vision recognition. People on a huge stage with bright colored lights, camera flashes and a moving crowd in the background has a lot more visual noise than the average living room. PS Move has a much easier time of it with just the solid glowing ball to track, the Wii even moreso with the sensor bar tracking.