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A taste of things to come, perhaps?
Has anyone noticed the lack of attacks at Bagdad tonight? Unlike yesterday..
Has anyone noticed the lack of attacks at Bagdad tonight? Unlike yesterday..
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USMC spokesman says Basra has been taken, along with hundreds of
prisoners
prisoners
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"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
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According to www.FoxNews.com, the four forward-recon soldiers casualty in the attack by rocket-propelled grenades on their Humvees were wounded and not killed.
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They lost some limbs, though.Axis Kast wrote:According to www.FoxNews.com, the four forward-recon soldiers casualty in the attack by rocket-propelled grenades on their Humvees were wounded and not killed.
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"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
A similar thread on SB reported that the embedded reporter with the troops said "They have more than satisfied the honour of the Iraqi nation." - leading one SBer to comment "He has been around cavalrymen far too long."MKSheppard wrote:Those are some brave sons of a bitches on the other side. Lets hope enough of them survive to help rebuild Iraq.
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Seeing as the intercept never states were the helicopters where shot, no it doesn't. Having said that, I'm leaning towards the British version of the crash. The Russians may have intercepted "2 helicopters down" only, then had a guess what could have caused the crash.Rob Wilson wrote:You know, that would hold some water, if they had been anywhere near the Enemy at the time. The fact that British Minesweepers were able to launch rescue efforts immediately as they were practically on top of the crash site should tell you all you need to know about the veracity of your report.BoredShirtless wrote:Russian intel on why the two British helicopters crashed:Full intel report: http://www.iraqwar.ru/iraq-read_article ... icleId=399A radio intercept made last night at approximately 4:40 am indicated that two British helicopters were shot down by a "Strela" SAM system after flying into a SAM trap. It is believed that the two SAR helicopters were to retrieve the pilot of the combat plane downed during the earlier air strike. The number of dead and wounded is still being established. So far the coalition command did not report these losses. (1)
Then again it isn't like we've never been fed a lie during a war.
Nowhere near the truth? Well you haven't convinced me.Rob Wilson wrote: Also they are not SAR helicopters, the Heli's involveds were AEW varients.
Some thought shows these 'intercepts' to be nowehere near the truth.
So far these intercepts have been fairly good. This intel disputed first media reports that Umm Qasr was under coalition control, later vindicated when the media did a little backpeddle from "under control" to "not yet under allied control".
Analysing an intercept is error prone if you don't get the entire conversation, jump into the middle of one for an example. They may need to fill in the gaps, but the Russians have less reason to bullshit than the US and British.
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Seems like the sappers were trying to get the Camp Commandant.Ted wrote:Iraqi raid in 101st base Camp Penn.
8 wounded, atleast 5 seriously by grenades.
SHIT, they did, blew up two leadership tents
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Yeah, fucked if I know what to believe. Everyone's got a reason to lie, damn humans. This wouldn't be a problem with monkeys you know.Vympel wrote:Makes sense. After all- you expect casualties when you report a place captured and then the next day it's reported that it actually is still contested. Not a peep from the mainstream.According to intelligence reports, at Umm Qasr American and British forces have sustained 10 killed and around 40 wounded soldiers and officers. Additionally, the Iraqis have destroyed up to 8 British and US armored personnel carriers.
Also unreported.During the past night a fuel supply convoy of the US 3rd Infantry Division was attacked by Iraqi special forces. Up to 7 fuel trucks have been lost in the attack. Three US soldiers were killed and nine wounded. Another three US soldiers are considered MIA and are believed to have been captured by the Iraqis.
The coalition commander Gen. Tommy Franks demanded from the Air Force a maximum possible increase in the close air support of the ground forces. During a "radio-bridge" with the commanders of all units Gen. Franks expressed his concern with the mounting casualties and the stubborn Iraqi resistance. "We've just spent three days trying to capture one small town, so we can only guess what awaits us in Baghdad!" - angrily said the commander and demanded better aviation support to soften up the defending Iraqi forces ahead of the advancing coalition units.Possible counter-propaganda? If so, for what purpose? Well- you decide. I sure as hell don't know what to believe.For the past day the coalition losses ar up to 30 killed and around 40 wounded. Ten coalition armored vehicles were destroyed my land mines. At least two armored vehicles were destroyed by anti-tank weapons.
(yes, that's right, *counter* propaganda. Because if you stick with the mainstream for your news you're not going to get jack shit information. Long live the internet.)
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101 Airborne has by hit with a terrorist attack at one of its bases in Kuwait. At least ten men are wounded
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*shoots ted*Ted wrote: If it was Iraqi's who did it then it isn't a terrorist attack.
Anyone not in Iraqi uniform is a terrorist, nimrod
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The American Civil War showed that whenever possibul expend things like ammo rather then lives in combat. 3-7 probably could have overrun the position without losses, but there's no reason to risk it.MKSheppard wrote:CNN correspondent with the 3-7 Cavalary was just on.
A company-sized element of Iraqis halted the 3-7th's movement
and so we called down an artillery strike on them to dislodge them,
but that wasn't enough, so we sent in the Apaches, and enough Iraqis
were still alive to give the AH-64Ds a tough time with anti-aircraft
weapons, so we called in a couple of A-10s...
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That doesn't generally work here as the "coalition of the short sighted" is the one and only source of information [a source which is not answerable to its veracity of their stories ]. So you have one source, but several sinks (fox, cnn, bbc etc). The sinks will all basically say the same thing in other words [this all flies out the window if a journalist can personally verify a story]. So you need to go to the Russians for some unbiased military interceptsRob Wilson wrote:Your right to be sceptical of reports, but that goes on all reports (including Internet sources that are not answerable for the veracity of their stories ). I try to get corroboration before I post a story on the War. I haven't found any Corroboration of the 'Intercept' story.Vympel wrote:
Mmmahhhh alright you're too reasonable for me to persist in my position
ADDENDUM : The last thing we need is people blindly accepting stories being spoon-fed to them. If a number of agencies (with differing Political and national backgrounds/leanings) report the same incident, then there's a good chance it's real.
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It was just reported on TV that the translators of our troops turned out to be the suicide bombers.
"If scientists and inventors who develop disease cures and useful technologies don't get lifetime royalties, I'd like to know what fucking rationale you have for some guy getting lifetime royalties for writing an episode of Full House." - Mike Wong
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
"The present air situation in the Pacific is entirely the result of fighting a fifth rate air power." - U.S. Navy Memo - 24 July 1944
Therefor infiltrators and not terrorists.MKSheppard wrote:It was just reported on TV that the translators of our troops turned out to be the suicide bombers.
Because the US is at war with Iraq, any action by Iraqi's cannot be counted as terrorism, unless you count the American invasion as terrorism.
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Nothing has yet indicated they where Iraqi moron.Ted wrote:Therefor infiltrators and not terrorists.MKSheppard wrote:It was just reported on TV that the translators of our troops turned out to be the suicide bombers.
Because the US is at war with Iraq, any action by Iraqi's cannot be counted as terrorism, unless you count the American invasion as terrorism.
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What is with these persistent reports that Basra has been captured? It hasn't. They haven't even stepped into there- they don't plan on it- a few thousand allied troops are being left behind to secure the rear area and they're moving on.
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As they should.Vympel wrote:What is with these persistent reports that Basra has been captured? It hasn't. They haven't even stepped into there- they don't plan on it- a few thousand allied troops are being left behind to secure the rear area and they're moving on.
The target is Bagdad, why settle for less with out good reason?
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A soldier from the 101st, from an Engineer unit, is suspected of attacking the officer tents at the Division's camp in northern Kuwait. Prelimenary reports are that he has an Arabic last name and is a Moslem. One soldier has now died of his wounds. The soldier who unleashed the attack was shot in the leg and is now in custody. He will undergo trial by courts martial, and will likely either be put to death or spend the rest of his life at Fort Leavenworth.