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Hotfoot wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:There's some space to wiggle in, but it'll make fleet trains that much more difficult.

Over 9,000 light years of space, by my estimation. I'll be throwing together some dice and making random elevation values for everyone (save monacora, since they are the center of known space). After that, I think it would be safe to say that most spheres of influence extend out X far from the capital world, and we go from there.

Stormbringer wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing a fleshed out 3D map so long as it remains consitent with the notion that the spheres on the map and with the game as it's been played so far.

Stormbringer wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:What are you talking about? This is easily solved. *Takes the largeness of Earth to mean that it is far closer to the view of the map, thus making it higher on the galactic arm than either Nashtar or the White Sun territory, and sends fleets beneath Monacoran territory, adding nothing to the journey at all.* There's no indication of depth, so as long as it's consistent I can do whatever the hell I want with the verticle positioning.

Frankly, I think that idea is a bunch of crap. Not only crap but self serving crap as well.

Hotfoot wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing a fleshed out 3D map so long as it remains consitent with the notion that the spheres on the map and with the game as it's been played so far.

Cool, I'll get to work on it right away. Should be up by tonight

Rogue 9 wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:Frankly, I think that idea is a bunch of crap. Not only crap but self serving crap as well.

Oh, and having the entire Unification be on the exact same plane as both the rest of the Alliance and the White Sun isn't? It's an assumption of the same nature; it's just the depth assumption that comes most easily because of the effects of looking at a 2d representation of a 3d area. That doesn't make it any less of an assumption.

Beowulf wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:Frankly, I think that idea is a bunch of crap. Not only crap but self serving crap as well.

Oh, and having the entire Unification be on the exact same plane as both the rest of the Alliance and the White Sun isn't? It's an assumption of the same nature; it's just the depth assumption that comes most easily because of the effects of looking at a 2d representation of a 3d area. That doesn't make it any less of an assumption.

It's crap because there is no indication that the largeness of a planet has anything to do with the elevation. In fact there's an indication that the greater size of Earth is due merely to it being the center of our universe.

Rogue 9 wrote:I know the size of the planet is irrelevant. I was pointing out the silliness of the whole thing. It is just as silly to assume that all nations are on the same galactic plane.

Stormbringer wrote:Okay, I'll be eager to see it. I hope you'll be willing to accept comments and suggests before making a final map?

Oh, and the Asgard and PIR should be fairly close together.

Hotfoot wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:Okay, I'll be eager to see it. I hope you'll be willing to accept comments and suggests before making a final map?

Oh, and the Asgard and PIR should be fairly close together.

Sure thing. I'll weight some of the die rolls (make a general roll for a group, then do minor variations with smaller dice).

Basically, this is how I'm planning on doing it. Out towards the edge of the primary circle, I'll roll a D4. 1-2 is below (by the amount on the die) and 3-4 is above (by the amount on the die -2). As I go in, I use larger dice, until I get to a D20 around Monacora.

Sound good?

Beowulf wrote:

Hotfoot wrote:

Stormbringer wrote:Okay, I'll be eager to see it. I hope you'll be willing to accept comments and suggests before making a final map?

Oh, and the Asgard and PIR should be fairly close together.

Sure thing. I'll weight some of the die rolls (make a general roll for a group, then do minor variations with smaller dice).

Basically, this is how I'm planning on doing it. Out towards the edge of the primary circle, I'll roll a D4. 1-2 is below (by the amount on the die) and 3-4 is above (by the amount on the die -2). As I go in, I use larger dice, until I get to a D20 around Monacora.

Sound good?

Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?

Beowulf wrote:Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?

Rogue 9 wrote:

Beowulf wrote:

Hotfoot wrote:Sure thing. I'll weight some of the die rolls (make a general roll for a group, then do minor variations with smaller dice).

Basically, this is how I'm planning on doing it. Out towards the edge of the primary circle, I'll roll a D4. 1-2 is below (by the amount on the die) and 3-4 is above (by the amount on the die -2). As I go in, I use larger dice, until I get to a D20 around Monacora.

Sound good?

Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?

No. You can't get even sides that way.

Beowulf wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:

Beowulf wrote: Except for the size difference that the jump from a D20 to a D12 would make, yeah. You have any size dice inbetween?

No. You can't get even sides that way.

*Pulls out computer*

Wanna bet?

Rogue 9 wrote:

Beowulf wrote: *Pulls out computer*

Wanna bet?

Well a computer simulation isn't a die, is it?

Beowulf wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:What I don't get is why they're so eager to help you, but hey, whatever they wanna do. Next time Earth is getting assraped, remind me not to charge to the rescue.

Closing borders isn't exactly help. It more along the lines of: We don't want to be seen as helping the UPA in this.

Thirdfain wrote:OOH! finally, I came up with the formal name.

Yeah, the Hajr is the military/expansion arm of the organization known as the

Diaspora of the Unbound

Thanks to Rogue9 for spurring it with his "Diaspora of the White Floaters."

Rogue 9 wrote:Then close it to the Ousters as well. As it stands, they have passage to us but we can't return the favor.

Stormbringer wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:Then close it to the Ousters as well. As it stands, they have passage to us but we can't return the favor.

Maybe it's because they haven't attacked you nor declared their intent to? Where as the Alliance has with regards to the Ousters.

Excuse me? They have declared their intent to attack the Alliance, and in fact are currently engaged in doing so, or haven't you been paying attention? The White Sun Confederation is a member of the Alliance, in case you've forgotten.

Rogue 9 wrote:All right, but if the Unification is merely concerned with keeping belligerent warships away from their systems, why bother with talking to Minmatar? It's Spyder's business if he feels that we really endanger him that much, but trying to talk him into it is a sign of wishes to hinder us, not protect themselves.

Stormbringer wrote:

Rogue 9 wrote:All right, but if the Unification is merely concerned with keeping belligerent warships away from their systems, why bother with talking to Minmatar? It's Spyder's business if he feels that we really endanger him that much, but trying to talk him into it is a sign of wishes to hinder us, not protect themselves.

Of course we're trying to hinder you. It wouldn't be worth much if this had no effect on the brewing war in our backyard.