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Edi wrote:Brazil wins 3-1 against Ivory Coast, a rash of yellow cards all around, Elano injured and Kaka driven off the field as the major highlights.

That was certainly an eventful game. Shame about Ivory Coast losing, I was hoping they'd win, even though it was a pretty long shot.

I was rooting for them, too, but they pulled all sorts of shit later in the game. Kaka's send-off was particularly egregious since it was the result of a total dive, and it came on the heels of two Ivory Coast studs-up tackles that earned only a foul and a caution when IMO they should both have been send-offs.

Master of Ossus wrote:

Edi wrote:Brazil wins 3-1 against Ivory Coast, a rash of yellow cards all around, Elano injured and Kaka driven off the field as the major highlights.

That was certainly an eventful game. Shame about Ivory Coast losing, I was hoping they'd win, even though it was a pretty long shot.

I was rooting for them, too, but they pulled all sorts of shit later in the game. Kaka's send-off was particularly egregious since it was the result of a total dive, and it came on the heels of two Ivory Coast studs-up tackles that earned only a foul and a caution when IMO they should both have been send-offs.

Elbow to the ribs would be a yellow card in any case, so he deserved the send-off anyway, regardless of the dive.

Edi wrote:Elbow to the ribs would be a yellow card in any case, so he deserved the send-off anyway, regardless of the dive.

Disagree. Kaka raises his arm to protect himself a little bit, so there might be contact with his elbow, but Keito deliberately ran into him and generated 100% of the force, and then made off like he had been punched in the nose. Shameful display by a dirty team.

That's fucking disgraceful. The North Koreans had better sportsmanship.

The reffing has just been god awful. And is there any "after match" review like in most other sports in international soccer at the moment, so that this kind of egregious bullshit can be penalised?

And that Kaka send off was fucking BS. He raised an arm to fend, he didn't strike Keita and made no action against him. It's just another example of how diving is killing this World Cup.

Elbow to the ribs shouldn't match to a yellow card, it wasn't even that hard of a elbow. If bare minimum contact like elbowing should equate to a yellow card (and elbowing does happen a lot during corners) then you'll get players booked for just even standing their ground, or even shoving each other when jumping for the ball, contact in football would be dead. If someone is to be booked then it is for a intentional harmful challenge. All Kaka was doing was softly elbowing back someone who intentionally gone up close to him. It was a silly decision regardless, especially as the ref couldn't have seen that incident and was clearly responding to the reaction of the Ivory Coast players. Gary Liniker put it best by describing the ref as someone who asks the stupid questions to the wrong players ie:

Did you handball that ball?

No

Did that guy tackle you?

YEAH!

Hopefully FIFA will step in the same way that they punished Rivaldo for his infamous dive back at the 2002 world cup.

weemadando wrote:The reffing has just been god awful. And is there any "after match" review like in most other sports in international soccer at the moment, so that this kind of egregious bullshit can be penalised?

And that Kaka send off was fucking BS. He raised an arm to fend, he didn't strike Keita and made no action against him. It's just another example of how diving is killing this World Cup.

Like what Fingolfin_Noldor has mentioned earlier, the referees are already in revolt with many referees leaving the job. So I don't think FIFA would want to offend more referees.

Korgeta wrote:Elbow to the ribs shouldn't match to a yellow card, it wasn't even that hard of a elbow. If bare minimum contact like elbowing should equate to a yellow card (and elbowing does happen a lot during corners) then you'll get players booked for just even standing their ground, or even shoving each other when jumping for the ball, contact in football would be dead. If someone is to be booked then it is for a intentional harmful challenge. All Kaka was doing was softly elbowing back someone who intentionally gone up close to him. It was a silly decision regardless, especially as the ref couldn't have seen that incident and was clearly responding to the reaction of the Ivory Coast players.

No, he was responding to the line ref.

Thanas wrote:

Korgeta wrote:Elbow to the ribs shouldn't match to a yellow card, it wasn't even that hard of a elbow. If bare minimum contact like elbowing should equate to a yellow card (and elbowing does happen a lot during corners) then you'll get players booked for just even standing their ground, or even shoving each other when jumping for the ball, contact in football would be dead. If someone is to be booked then it is for a intentional harmful challenge. All Kaka was doing was softly elbowing back someone who intentionally gone up close to him. It was a silly decision regardless, especially as the ref couldn't have seen that incident and was clearly responding to the reaction of the Ivory Coast players.

No, he was responding to the line ref.

He should have been responding to the line ref but it didn't very much look like it, and if the line ref had seen it then he's a bigger idiot as well. Not that refs have had a good few days in terms of good refereeing decisions.

Korgeta wrote:He should have been responding to the line ref but it didn't very much look like it,

They have earpieces now, don't they? Doesn't need to look as if he is responding visually to the line ref for him to actually hear the guy.

Thanas wrote:

Korgeta wrote:He should have been responding to the line ref but it didn't very much look like it,

They have earpieces now, don't they? Doesn't need to look as if he is responding visually to the line ref for him to actually hear the guy.

I'm hoping it was the Fourth Official who flagged it. The AR and the center had more important things to be looking at. Regardless, the center could have sold the call better if he had gone over and talked to the AR (even if the fourth official had been talking to him), because then it would've appeared that the AR had seen it and was making the call rather than leaving casual fans to speculate.

Thanas wrote:

Korgeta wrote:He should have been responding to the line ref but it didn't very much look like it,

They have earpieces now, don't they? Doesn't need to look as if he is responding visually to the line ref for him to actually hear the guy.

Did you also notice that the linesman was on the other side of pitch and not in line of sight?

'm hoping it was the Fourth Official who flagged it. The AR and the center had more important things to be looking at. Regardless, the center could have sold the call better if he had gone over and talked to the AR (even if the fourth official had been talking to him), because then it would've appeared that the AR had seen it and was making the call rather than leaving casual fans to speculate.

This was what most likely happened.

Yeah, got fourth official and linesmen mixed up, terms get a bit muddy when translating from German to English.

As for the post-game review, from what I remember in-game calls can not be changed.

Retroactive punishment is possible, however, if the Referees miss something.

So, a blatant red card by deliberately kicking the shin of a Brazilian players could be retroactively punished if the Referee didn't see it. Since he called a foul, nothing can be done.

Kaka should not of been sent off, he merely raised his arm while someone ran into him, who then fell down like he had been shot in the face. The actual viewing of the incident was most likely by the 4th official.

The Ivory Coast player will likely be banned for simulation, but Kaka's one match suspension will stand.

EDIT: The last 5 or so minutes ruined what was a very good game, yes the second goal was handball, and I didn't see the point in the ref asking if it was handball, if he thought it was, he should of disallowed the goal, not asked the fucking player.

I think people are being generous to Kaka. Yeah it was hardly a violent act but he could see the player coming (and the Ivory Coast player wasn't looking) and raised the arm and braced himself for the impact. Why you would need to 'protect yourself' from someone hitting you at a slow jog remains a mystery.

That said, Ivory Coast player is a total tool and took an epic dive. But hey, diving isn't a problem in football am i rite? He was only making sure the ref knew he had been fouled.

thejester wrote:I think people are being generous to Kaka. Yeah it was hardly a violent act but he could see the player coming (and the Ivory Coast player wasn't looking) and raised the arm and braced himself for the impact. Why you would need to 'protect yourself' from someone hitting you at a slow jog remains a mystery.

That said, Ivory Coast player is a total tool and took an epic dive. But hey, diving isn't a problem in football am i rite? He was only making sure the ref knew he had been fouled.

Shhh. Ze Germans will hear you.

I predict that the reffing complaints in this world cup will raise the call again for the introduction video refs, especially if the refs are threatening to walk out as well.
I personally hope that since it looks like pretty much half the players are taking acting lesson on how to do a dramatic death scene, and that for some teams the game these days is as much about scoring goals as it is to load the other team up with cards, they'll consider introducing video refs. I'm sick and tired of these fake divers.

Yeah, there's been some pretty dodgy ref work. I saw some clips of Brazil's game last night. Jeebus.

I was wondering, do any of the Aussies in this thread watch Cup Fever?

Twigler wrote:I predict that the reffing complaints in this world cup will raise the call again for the introduction video refs, especially if the refs are threatening to walk out as well.

Fuck the refs. Let'em walk. The game is guaranteed to be better if the refs aren't there to make all their bullshit calls.

HA! 7-0 against the North Koreans!

I knew it was going to be a massacre but I didn't realize how bad it was going to be.

I hope Portugal can at least tie with Brazil to secure second place in the group.

I loved the way Ronaldo made that goal.

Wow, I tuned into the second quarter in the 30's minutes of the second half, saw the 5-0, walked out, then came back a few minutes later to see the 7-0! I can't wait for someone to post a video of all the goals Portugal made against North Korea because this is utterly ridiculous.

Enigma wrote:HA! 7-0 against the North Koreans!

I knew it was going to be a massacre but I didn't realize how bad it was going to be.

I hope Portugal can at least tie with Brazil to secure second place in the group.

I loved the way Ronaldo made that goal.

To be honest, they are all but through. Their goal difference is 9 better than Ivory Coast's now.

They were coming on so fast and furious I was still getting push notifications on my phone for goals after the match was over. The Koreans put on a good game but they were just hopelessly outclasses. Shame they couldn't hold Portugal down like they did Brazil. Hopefully they continue to play like that for Ivory Coast. Maybe they can hold them off as well. Which would mean Portugal advances but I'm sure someone will take out Ronaldo and Co. next round

Hey, I'll be happy that Portugal makes the next round. I honestly don't think that they'll win the cup.