Official M:TG Thread

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-08-10 08:00pm

Not to be boastful or anything, but I don't think you want to play me. I am a little above your level, seeing as to I have beaten a Type 1 champion, and a type 1 second place finisher before.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-08-10 08:34pm

Since when is Apocalypse a pure Red card?

*slots one into his Goblin deck*

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-08-10 09:35pm

Oh yeah! Feel the wrath of the Vampires baby!

Against Tevar and Bunny I won with 18 life.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-10 10:10pm

LadyTevar wrote: IIRC, Type 1 is Cards from ANY set, no banned list, but a list of cards that are limited to 1 per deck.

Can anyone verify this, as my information is prolly years out of date

Yes, it is out of date. Type 1 has banned and restricted (1 per deck) lists, whereas Type 1.5 has no ban list, merely a restricted list.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-08-10 10:52pm

Nope 1.5 has only a banned list, anything banned and restricted in type 1.
Learn you magic folks.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-08-10 11:18pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:Oh yeah! Feel the wrath of the Vampires baby!

Against Tevar and Bunny I won with 18 life.

Only cause Tevar cast an inappropriate hush. I guess she got what she deserved.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-08-10 11:19pm

anarchistbunny wrote:
Captain_Cyran wrote:Oh yeah! Feel the wrath of the Vampires baby!

Against Tevar and Bunny I won with 18 life.
Only cause Tevar cast an inappropriate hush. I guess she got what she deserved.

Whatever, my vampire deck was MADE to take on decks like that one you were using.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-08-10 11:46pm

Captain_Cyran wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:
Captain_Cyran wrote:Oh yeah! Feel the wrath of the Vampires baby!

Against Tevar and Bunny I won with 18 life.
Only cause Tevar cast an inappropriate hush. I guess she got what she deserved.
Whatever, my vampire deck was MADE to take on decks like that one you were using.

You would have been screwed if it wasn't for that hush dude.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-11 12:36am

Dark Hellion wrote:Nope 1.5 has only a banned list, anything banned and restricted in type 1.
Learn you magic folks.

I accidentally reversed two words. Whoop de do.

I'd like to see if YOU understand banding as well as I!

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-08-11 11:08am

Dark Hellion wrote:Not to be boastful or anything, but I don't think you want to play me. I am a little above your level, seeing as to I have beaten a Type 1 champion, and a type 1 second place finisher before.

Bah. Given Apprentice, anyone can assemble a landless uber-Alpha-deck (dating back to the pre-only-four-in-a-deck days) that can beat the snot out of anyone regardless of what they bring to the table.

That said, "Beating a T1 champion" is meaningless. When you have access to any cards you want, and understand the fundamentals of the game, the 'best' decks come down to very basic formulas and archetypes. You don't have to do any thinking or deckbuilding of your own to compete in T1.

When you want to prove you're a true artist and master of the game, wander into a tournament featuring a brand-spanking new block of cards, that neither you nor any of your opponents have heard of before or had time to prepare for. Assume you have access to any cards within that block. Construct a deck. Win. Pioneer an archetype. Then you can call yourself a great Magic player.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-08-11 12:37pm

Well, Tevar, Cyran, Nitram, and I played a chaos game of magic last night. After getting a 2/1 flyer out with an empyrial armor on it I hit Tevar for 7, which caused Nitram to attack me, and thanks to a moment of silence I took him down in three turns. Then the turn after that I cast a Intrepid Hero and thats where the game started going downhill from there, at least for me. All during this bout between me and Nitram, they did nothing, and after that they both pounce onto me. After many rounds of shameless 2v1, and thanks only to my massive life gaining cards, Cyran has to quit, leaving me and Tevar 1v1, but I've been so knocked out of it by now, that I'd probly need a great string of cards to beable to pull out a victory and just not a stalemate. Then she disconnects and no one wins.

Captain Cyran · Post by **Captain Cyran** » 2003-08-11 12:42pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:
Dark Hellion wrote:Nope 1.5 has only a banned list, anything banned and restricted in type 1.
Learn you magic folks.
I accidentally reversed two words. Whoop de do.

I'd like to see if YOU understand banding as well as I!

I do. It's a confusing as hell thing...but very useful.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-08-11 01:38pm

They've changed how banding works so many times I'm not sure I understand it any more...

This is how it was for 4th edition (I got an official ruling): On offense, as long as all but one of a group of attackers had banding, they could be formed into a band. The controller of the band determined how to divide damage, in any way desired, so all the damage could be focused on one creature, even if that was massive overkill, or could be spread out so all creatures would survive. On defense, as long as at least one of multiple blockers had banding, the defender chose how to distribute damage among his/her creatures. This overrode the rule that the person dealing damage distributed damage. However, if an attacking trampler was blocked by a band, any overkill damage caused by distribution would go through to the defending player as normal.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-08-11 06:16pm

No, i beat him in real life with real cards. He was the type 1 champ 2 years ago. His name was Mat Endress, he lives and morrison IL and i kicked the shit outta him. Multiple times. I go to his house every couple of weekends.
Stop thinking that type 1 is some degredant format that millionaires play with landless Ginzu decks. It shows that you are a noob, not that you actually know anything about the game.

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2003-08-11 06:44pm

The Dark wrote:They've changed how banding works so many times I'm not sure I understand it any more...

This is how it was for 4th edition (I got an official ruling): On offense, as long as all but one of a group of attackers had banding, they could be formed into a band. The controller of the band determined how to divide damage, in any way desired, so all the damage could be focused on one creature, even if that was massive overkill, or could be spread out so all creatures would survive. On defense, as long as at least one of multiple blockers had banding, the defender chose how to distribute damage among his/her creatures. This overrode the rule that the person dealing damage distributed damage. However, if an attacking trampler was blocked by a band, any overkill damage caused by distribution would go through to the defending player as normal.

Figuring out how banding worked gave me such headaches that I never bothered to play with cards that had it.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-08-11 07:24pm

Dark Hellion wrote:No, i beat him in real life with real cards. He was the type 1 champ 2 years ago. His name was Mat Endress, he lives and morrison IL and i kicked the shit outta him. Multiple times. I go to his house every couple of weekends.
Stop thinking that type 1 is some degredant format that millionaires play with landless Ginzu decks. It shows that you are a noob, not that you actually know anything about the game.

That's enough, DH. I know perfectly well what Type 1 is; I was pointing out something completely different - that is that skill at the game is better demonstrated by limiting oneself to undeveloped formats (Type 2), not pawning some overused archetype and claiming that you're a distinctive master of the game. As I said, any jerkoff can hop on the web and assemble a 'winning' deck and pull a good draw on a good day. That doesn't make you king and victor almighty.

If you think I'm wrong about that, give up some sort of decent reason for it. So far all I've heard is you tell us how great you are.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-08-11 08:25pm

Never played chaos magic before... got a link for the rules?

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-08-11 09:03pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:Never played chaos magic before... got a link for the rules?

Its just multiplayer FFA.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-08-12 12:03pm

Lagmonster, you still have the wrong idea about T1. It is a very balanced format. Sure 1 outta every 25 games someone will get an auto win hand, however, in type 2, 1 outta every 10 games someone draws an auto lose hand (mana screw,mana flood, no creatures).
T2 is the degredant format. It requires no real skill to figure out good or bad cards, and type 2 is very much still based on the dojo effect. Download a list and play. Their is no talent. Playing Stax takes talent. The deck can wreck house, but in the hands of a bad player, loses to most 1.x stuff.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-08-12 05:58pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Well, Tevar, Cyran, Nitram, and I played a chaos game of magic last night. After getting a 2/1 flyer out with an empyrial armor on it I hit Tevar for 7, which caused Nitram to attack me, and thanks to a moment of silence I took him down in three turns. Then the turn after that I cast a Intrepid Hero and thats where the game started going downhill from there, at least for me. All during this bout between me and Nitram, they did nothing, and after that they both pounce onto me. After many rounds of shameless 2v1, and thanks only to my massive life gaining cards, Cyran has to quit, leaving me and Tevar 1v1, but I've been so knocked out of it by now, that I'd probly need a great string of cards to beable to pull out a victory and just not a stalemate. Then she disconnects and no one wins.

Stupid Cable disconnected, and Nitram reminds me it's 12:30 and I have to work. Therefore, you win, since you had the larger life total. And don't say you needed "a great string of cards". Every time I had you down to under 8 life, you'd pull some card that would get your life up close to 20 again... so I don't wanna hear it.

Now, why I wasn't doing much? I was playing a Five-Color deck, loaded with pretty much nothing but Gold cards. I was sitting back and building... but when you took out Nitram, I was at the point where I could finally act. I targeted you because you had the biggest baddest monster and the highest life total.

Still, the Five Color needs work. I need to tune it... some of the cards I had in hand just weren't working right.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-08-12 06:28pm

Dark Hellion wrote:Lagmonster, you still have the wrong idea about T1. It is a very balanced format. Sure 1 outta every 25 games someone will get an auto win hand, however, in type 2, 1 outta every 10 games someone draws an auto lose hand (mana screw,mana flood, no creatures).
T2 is the degredant format. It requires no real skill to figure out good or bad cards, and type 2 is very much still based on the dojo effect. Download a list and play. Their is no talent. Playing Stax takes talent. The deck can wreck house, but in the hands of a bad player, loses to most 1.x stuff.

Hellion, I've also taken a top five slot in more than one Magic tourney. When I played Arena, back in the mid-90's, I was always among the top five in my region. Have I ever beat the #1 player? Yes. Everyone has a bad card day. Is there any Type better than another? No. Each takes skill to master. The true test of a Magic player, IMHO, is Sealed Deck tourneys, especially if they are running Draft rules.

Still, I'm mostly past my competive days. I prefer playing to play, or to test a theme or card combo I found. I'm playing around with the Apprentice program right now, seeing how I can remake many of my decks that were stolen. Will I play them? *shrug* I don't know. I do know that if I make the Ultimate Dragon Deck I want to make, then I'm going to have a 200 card deck.

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-08-12 07:06pm

LadyTevar wrote: Every time I had you down to under 8 life, you'd pull some card that would get your life up close to 20 again... so I don't wanna hear it.

Except you had sucked me dry of those healing cards, and I can only think of two cards in my deck that could of handled that land walker, both of them humble, and the only way I could of damaged you was flyers with protections, and if you had a flyer that wasn't red or black, I'd be in trouble.

Son of the Suns · Post by **Son of the Suns** » 2003-08-12 08:13pm

bunny, have you heard of hero's reunion? It's one of the best multi color cards for white/green. For one mana of each you gain 7 life.

Dark Hellion · Post by **Dark Hellion** » 2003-08-12 08:36pm

Lady Tevar, while I respect your opinion, I must say that this wasn't just a regional best. He was, for a time, the best type 1 player in all of North America. And I beat him on multiple occations. In fact, I will be playing in a mox tournament at his house this saturday.
The fact that I have played for just as long as most people here, have demonstrated a higher skill level, and a higher level of tournament magic knowledge rather clearly puts me on the top rung. I am usually all for modesty, but some of you act like pissant little children, talking about how good you are, and yet, are unable to back these claims.
And yes, I do enjoy casual magic and draft much more. My casual Counter-phoenix deck could make people swear so goddamn much it wasn't funny. And my deck that should never have worked (a blue/white/black necro based deck that won with morphling) was hilariously fun to play.
Keep this thread for casual magic, and stop pretending to know anything about the current tournament scene. It isn't fitting for members of this board to act like childish poseurs.

thecreech · Post by **thecreech** » 2003-08-12 08:50pm

Dark Hellion wrote:It isn't fitting for members of this board to act like childish poseurs.

Speaking of people who act like childish poseurs.