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Posted: 2003-11-03 09:38pm
by Sea Skimmer
Alyrium Denryle wrote:Basic fleet operations for the Union, is to use a sort of Hunter-killer attack strategy. Our primary capitalship, the Teuthis Class not only looks like a squid, but behaves likeone as well. They posses a cloak that not only defeats most sensor packages, but the very skin of the ship changes to mimic the background, so that you cant even see it. It come sout f cloak(it is energy intensive0 just long enough to fire off a few salvos and then disappears. And because we use graviti engines, so much for drive emisions(we do you a form of Ion jet propulsion to move at VERY fast sublight(again think squid)
Basing your ship to ship strategy around a cloak is a bad idea, since people will find you by sweeping space with several hundred thousand shots, and a few salvos won't kill much of anything. As for gravity based engines, they can be detected. Cloaks are useful, but only to a point.
Posted: 2003-11-03 09:43pm
by Enigma
PROMETHEUS wrote:Chardok wrote:Does suspension of disbelief apply? Like giant, city smashing mechs actually being able to fire their guns without falling apart and all that?
Since magitech, Bolos galore, ten thousand kilometer spaceships, and battlestars (actually enclosing stars) have been done before, I would think mechs would work. How effectively is unknown, depending on the opposition they face.
Actually battlestars are two pieces. One, the star itself. Two, the superstructure that contains all the necessary equipment\compartment\powerplants\weaponry\etc.. needed to create the battlestar. The superstructure is then made slightly out of phase and then placed inside the star. Then the superstructure is anchored to the star itself.
Posted: 2003-11-03 09:53pm
by Alyrium Denryle
Sea Skimmer wrote:Alyrium Denryle wrote:Basic fleet operations for the Union, is to use a sort of Hunter-killer attack strategy. Our primary capitalship, the Teuthis Class not only looks like a squid, but behaves likeone as well. They posses a cloak that not only defeats most sensor packages, but the very skin of the ship changes to mimic the background, so that you cant even see it. It come sout f cloak(it is energy intensive0 just long enough to fire off a few salvos and then disappears. And because we use graviti engines, so much for drive emisions(we do you a form of Ion jet propulsion to move at VERY fast sublight(again think squid)
Basing your ship to ship strategy around a cloak is a bad idea, since people will find you by sweeping space with several hundred thousand shots, and a few salvos won't kill much of anything. As for gravity based engines, they can be detected. Cloaks are useful, but only to a point.
I know... That is wh they are heavily armed and armored regardless of a cloak. The dont depend on it, but they are useful for hit and fade attacks, and for hiding your fleet size etc
Posted: 2003-11-03 10:01pm
by SirNitram
Alyrium Denryle wrote:I think my fleet in the OOB thread should be a good approximation. Small but big pointy teeth.
Seems a bit small actually. Works great for pirates, but what about those of us that have 15 worlds each with a population over 10 billion, as well as a few dozen colonies and a few HUNDRED outposts...
The Alliance is the size of a large star nation, at forty major worlds.
We have territory to patrol, customs to avoid contamination, trade routes to police...
Well, we call them different things here, but...
Posted: 2003-11-03 10:16pm
by Alyrium Denryle
At 40 major worlds... how do your fleet logistics work??? YOu simply dont have enough ships to patrol that area...
Posted: 2003-11-03 10:51pm
by SirNitram
Alyrium Denryle wrote:At 40 major worlds... how do your fleet logistics work??? YOu simply dont have enough ships to patrol that area...
Alot of Unrelentings. Hell, the Empire had one ISD per forty worlds in the Official data, and no one's shown me any Canon data that proves it's higher. I've got three per forty worlds.
Posted: 2003-11-03 10:55pm
by Alyrium Denryle
SirNitram wrote:Alyrium Denryle wrote:At 40 major worlds... how do your fleet logistics work??? YOu simply dont have enough ships to patrol that area...
Alot of Unrelentings. Hell, the Empire had one ISD per forty worlds in the Official data, and no one's shown me any Canon data that proves it's higher. I've got three per forty worlds.
*lightbulb of understanding*
Posted: 2003-11-04 12:39am
by Sea Skimmer
I wont have an OOB ready before late Tuesday, and given how few of us have reached that point I think we need to delay the start at least till then.
Posted: 2003-11-04 12:45am
by Stormbringer
Alyrium Denryle wrote:SirNitram wrote:Alyrium Denryle wrote:At 40 major worlds... how do your fleet logistics work??? YOu simply dont have enough ships to patrol that area...
Alot of Unrelentings. Hell, the Empire had one ISD per forty worlds in the Official data, and no one's shown me any Canon data that proves it's higher. I've got three per forty worlds.
*lightbulb of understanding*
yes, please scale back the ships unless you plan on having them being an individually weaker ship.
Posted: 2003-11-04 01:00am
by Raxmei
Sea Skimmer wrote:I wont have an OOB ready before late Tuesday, and given how few of us have reached that point I think we need to delay the start at least till then.
I definitely can not be ready before Tuesday, and I'd prefer a bit more time than that.
Posted: 2003-11-04 02:09pm
by phongn
Alyrium Denryle wrote:I know... That is wh they are heavily armed and armored regardless of a cloak. The dont depend on it, but they are useful for hit and fade attacks, and for hiding your fleet size etc
It is a very, very bad idea to face an RN fleet without shields to protect you, cloak or no cloak.
Posted: 2003-11-04 03:17pm
by Sea Skimmer
phongn wrote:
It is a very, very bad idea to face an RN fleet without shields to protect you, cloak or no cloak.
Its a very bad idea to fight anyone without shields no matter how good your armor might be, since individual weapons and sensor mounts can then be shot out.
Posted: 2003-11-04 04:06pm
by Raxmei
Can someone tell me how powerful Star Wars shields and weapons are at the moment? The main site hasn't been updated in a while, and the forum has varying opinions.
Posted: 2003-11-04 04:24pm
by Stormbringer
Just so people know, those with larger than average fleets ships will be considered portionally weaker. This is so that there's a rough balance at least starting out.
Posted: 2003-11-04 04:41pm
by Dahak
Stormbringer wrote:Just so people know, those with larger than average fleets ships will be considered portionally weaker. This is so that there's a rough balance at least starting out.
What is then "larger than average"? And what is normal?
Posted: 2003-11-04 04:54pm
by Stormbringer
Dahak wrote:Stormbringer wrote:Just so people know, those with larger than average fleets ships will be considered portionally weaker. This is so that there's a rough balance at least starting out.
What is then "larger than average"? And what is normal?
Look at mine, phongn's, or Pablo's for an idea of the average. Essentially a limited amount of capital ships backed up with more numerous escort/patrol ships.
Posted: 2003-11-04 06:15pm
by Dahak
Stormbringer wrote:Dahak wrote:Stormbringer wrote:Just so people know, those with larger than average fleets ships will be considered portionally weaker. This is so that there's a rough balance at least starting out.
What is then "larger than average"? And what is normal?
Look at mine, phongn's, or Pablo's for an idea of the average. Essentially a limited amount of capital ships backed up with more numerous escort/patrol ships.
So, I hope I've found a reasonable numer for my navy, without having too weak ships?
If you could take a look, Id be happy.
Posted: 2003-11-04 06:36pm
by phongn
Sea Skimmer wrote:phongn wrote:
It is a very, very bad idea to face an RN fleet without shields to protect you, cloak or no cloak.
Its a very bad idea to fight anyone without shields no matter how good your armor might be, since individual weapons and sensor mounts can then be shot out.
Even worse against me since my funky etheric cannon causes massive shock effects on impact, and my reflex cannon have antimatter in the particle stream. (Of course, this can be retconn'ed if it is unacceptable).
Posted: 2003-11-04 06:49pm
by Sea Skimmer
phongn wrote:
Even worse against me since my funky etheric cannon causes massive shock effects on impact, and my reflex cannon have antimatter in the particle stream. (Of course, this can be retconn'ed if it is unacceptable).
That seems too powerful for a generally SW tech level.
Posted: 2003-11-04 06:56pm
by phongn
Sea Skimmer wrote:That seems too powerful for a generally SW tech level.
Well, if it's annoying to people I'll simply take them out. Only CBs, BBs and the flag have the reflex cannon; etheric guns are on everything but can be removed.
Posted: 2003-11-04 07:39pm
by Enigma
Well I don't think I'll participate in the this STGOD. I mean, I've joined up, but won't participate until I've finished off the current ASVS STGOD storyline. I'm too engrossed in my character's battle with Halite.
Posted: 2003-11-04 07:50pm
by Alyrium Denryle
phongn wrote:Alyrium Denryle wrote:I know... That is wh they are heavily armed and armored regardless of a cloak. The dont depend on it, but they are useful for hit and fade attacks, and for hiding your fleet size etc
It is a very, very bad idea to face an RN fleet without shields to protect you, cloak or no cloak.
I include shields when I said armor... They work while cloaked, I just cant fire weapons
Posted: 2003-11-04 08:50pm
by SirNitram
My fleet seems exceptionally small.. Of course, they're also all behemoths of immense size, so being more potent than the insects buzzing around them is not a big stretch.
Posted: 2003-11-04 09:37pm
by Sea Skimmer
SirNitram wrote:My fleet seems exceptionally small.. Of course, they're also all behemoths of immense size, so being more potent than the insects buzzing around them is not a big stretch.
That doesn't balance; just one of your huge ships can wipe out large task forces without ever losing shielding and thus suffering any real damage.
Posted: 2003-11-04 09:41pm
by Stormbringer
Sea Skimmer wrote:SirNitram wrote:My fleet seems exceptionally small.. Of course, they're also all behemoths of immense size, so being more potent than the insects buzzing around them is not a big stretch.
That doesn't balance; just one of your huge ships can wipe out large task forces without ever losing shielding and thus suffering any real damage.
I agree with Sea Skimmer to a degree, if they can shrug off whole fleets that'll majorly unbalance the game.