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I am certain that the Veithans will happily accomodate some Monacoran refugees. I will be posting a government response ASAP, but I have written a lot today. I may be taking a break shortly.

Alpha Fleet is in Sol currently to help provide support for the relief operation as much as possible. Here are details:

Alpha Fleet

1 Superdreadnought: Antaeus
1 Dreadnought
1 Drone Supercarrier (200 bombers, 400 interceptors)
2 Battleships

4 Drone Carriers (40 bombers, 80 interceptors)
4 Battle Cruisers
4 Missile Cruisers
8 Heavy Cruisers

20 Destroyers (6 AE, 14 AC)
40 Frigates (13 AO, 27 AE)
80 Corvettes (60 AO, 20 AE)

2 Fleet Tenders
2 Troop Deployment Ships

Details on request as they are needed.

Forces in system (less losses, of course):

First Fleet elements:

1 Venture class fleet carrier
1 Claymore class battleship
2 Carnegie class cruisers
1 Merovingian class carrier
1 Warhammer class cruiser
4 Starlight class destroyers
5 Dawn Raider class frigates
3 Sun Striker class light carriers
2 Nova class missile destroyers
2 Solar Flare minelayers

Third Fleet elements:

2 Venture class fleet carriers
2 Claymore class battleships
4 Carnegie class cruisers
2 Merovingian class carriers
2 Warhammer class cruisers
8 Starlight class destroyers
10 Dawn Raider class frigates
6 Sun Striker class light carriers
4 Nova class missile destroyers
4 Solar Flare minelayers

Fifth Fleet, in its entirety:

2 Venture class fleet carrier
3 Claymore class battleship
6 Carnegie class cruisers
4 Merovingian class carrier
3 Warhammer class cruiser
16 Starlight class destroyers
20 Dawn Raider class frigates
16 Sun Striker class light carriers
14 Nova class missile destroyers
10 Solar Flare minelayers

Sixth Fleet elements:

3 Carnegie class cruisers
3 Merovingian class carrier
10 Starlight class destroyers
25 Dawn Raider class frigates
10 Sun Striker class light carriers
3 Nova class missile destroyers
10 Solar Flare minelayers

Troop Transports:

20 heavy troop carriers (not listed in OOB yet; lightly armed, no use in a fleet engagement)
6 equipment/armor haulers (see above note)

TOTAL:

5 Venture class fleet carrier
6 Claymore class battleship
15 Carnegie class cruisers
10 Merovingian class carrier
6 Warhammer class cruiser
38 Starlight class destroyers
60 Dawn Raider class frigates
35 Sun Striker class light carriers
23 Nova class missile destroyers
26 Solar Flare minelayers
20 heavy troop carriers
6 equipment/armor haulers

1st fleet
3 Rebecca class carriers
2 Kincad class dreadnoughts
3 Moshe class Battle Cruisers
3 Aaron class Heavy Cruisers
5 David class Light Cruisers
6 Ruth class Light Carriers
31 Luke class Missle Frigates
31 John class Gun Frigates
37 Mark class Destoriers

2nd fleet
3 Rebecca class carriers
2 Kincad class dreadnoughts
3 Moshe class Battle Cruisers
3 Aaron class Heavy Cruisers
5 David class Light Cruisers
6 Ruth class Light Carriers
31 Luke class Missle Frigates
31 John class Gun Frigates
37 Mark class Destoriers

Alyrium I just read your country description in greater detail- and man, you was askin' for this!

Um... You realize that the vast majoprity of the people ARE magic users and they have lived like that without complaint for thousands of years right? They would not be reacting this way.

Hell magic isnt innate it is LEARNED and we hace SCHOOLS that teach basic spell-casting

So fuck off

Yeah, and the less than 10% of his population really amounts to that much.

Look. You realize what that small segment of the population is, right? The dumbasses. People with intelligence and charisma below 10. Not being able to learn to cast spells comes with being stupid and unable to influence people. I'm sorry, that doesn't fly.

hell, wisdom Intelligence and charisma scores below 10

They are so stupid they cannot speak correctly

LOL! Sorry, ol' bean, your government is still pretty clearly a shadow oligarchy. Your recent contact with civilization (as I touch on in my speech) has ignited the burning fires of freedom! Remember, these people see your allies, the Nashtar, with their free elections, and some of them thirst for life away from the shackles of mageocratic rule!

Erm... But over 90% of the population consists of voting mages. Come on, that's way higher than the U.S. voting rate.

Rogue 9 wrote:Yeah, and the less than 10% of his population really amounts to that much.

Look. You realize what that small segment of the population is, right? The dumbasses. People with intelligence and charisma below 10. Not being able to learn to cast spells comes with being stupid and unable to influence people. I'm sorry, that doesn't fly.

Actually, since 10 is supposed to be the AVERAGE, it would stand to reason that roughly 50% of the population fell below that level...

If you want to go by strictly by the rules, that is...

BTW, cut out the D20 bullshit. People don't have "Charisma" and "Intelligence" scores. Folks are more convoluted then that.

Alyrium Denryle wrote:hell, wisdom Intelligence and charisma scores below 10

They are so stupid they cannot speak correctly

Actually, no. To be legally retarded, one needs to have an IQ of 60. That's probably INT score of 6 or so.

And, whoop, Charisma has nothing to do with intelligence, but rather creativity, looks, and personality.

You cut the bullshit. Aly based this off the idea of D&D soceity after several millienia of development. If he says that only 10% of his populace then that is so.

Has for the INT and Cha, it's an abstract way of dealing with it. 10=average. Most people are going to have at least 10 in Int or Cha, just the way it is.

Why are you autoing his folks?

Thirdfain wrote:BTW, cut out the D20 bullshit. People don't have "Charisma" and "Intelligence" scores. Folks are more convoluted then that.

You're right, they don't have the scores. But characters with those scores correlate to stupid people in real life.

And, whoop, Charisma has nothing to do with intelligence, but rather creativity, looks, and personality.

True. Also the ability to influence people, which, surprise, this guy seems to be doing very well. I seriously doubt he'd be unable to become a sorcerer if he can really whip up this crowd like that.

Why are you autoing his folks?

The same reason he autoed the Floaters in his space after saying that we get to control Floaters in our territory. To exert power beyond his means.

frigidmagi wrote:You cut the bullshit. Aly based this off the idea of D&D soceity after several millienia of development. If he says that only 10% of his populace then that is so.

Has for the INT and Cha, it's an abstract way of dealing with it. 10=average. Most people are going to have at least 10 in Int or Cha, just the way it is.

Why are you autoing his folks?

That and we have 15k years of selective breeding, to the point that 16 is now the average in INT WIS and CHA

Well, never mind.

Okay, that's settled, then. Sorry to disappoint you, oh fomenter of rebellions that you really shouldn't have any business controlling.

Wow, rogue9, maybe if you start conscripting your whole populace and forcing them to work in labor camps, you'll be able to double your Navy's size, because HEY! you are in complete control of your people, and they won't react at ALL! Hell, people in democratic societies LOVE that shit!



Actions have consequences. Social problems have social consequences. Live with it.

-edit- Oh, and Alyrium just won this round by being smart. Cool!

Hey Thridfain maybe you should auto other people's citizens and screw around with other powers internal systems to your advantage!

Oh Wait...

-shrug- There's plenty of precendent, old bean. As long as the manipulation is in-character and reasonable, which I contend both of mine have been, it's fair and square.

However this is not reasonable. This is autoing of a populace that is over the line.

Why is that? 2,000 people out of a population of hundreds of billions? PEACEFULLY PROTESTING?

They aren't storming the fucking palace, forgodsakes.

Unlike, say, the Floaters...